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RE: Objections: The Gathering
July 19, 2015 at 7:24 pm
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(July 19, 2015 at 7:18 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Most of these objections have been mentioned by one or more members of this forum during the two months I have been a member, so yes, I think that atheists have reasons why they first began to doubt and/or why they currently believe that God does not exist.
Maybe so and I'm not among them, since I don't believe simply because of the utter absurdity of the tale. A god cropping up after billions of years to embrace humanity doesn't compute. When I still felt the need to believe anything to fill the gaps, it was in a totally neutral entity without any interest in humanity. But why would anyone worship such a being and why would such a being care?
The god of the bible was already out of the window in my late teens.
Now, as I said, my response to all of the above is people done it, people do it. Sometimes in the name of their god, regardless if it's yours or the muslim's or the jews'. That's why it's fanclub warrants caution off and on.
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RE: Objections: The Gathering
July 19, 2015 at 7:29 pm
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There are, of course, those of us who've never believed, and for whom objections to christianity or god have little -or nothing- to do with objections to it's existence. Perpetually blindsiding poorly prepared apologists.....
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RE: Objections: The Gathering
July 19, 2015 at 7:30 pm
Picking the biggest objection to Christianity is like picking the best movie. There are so many good ones that it's hard to choose.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Objections: The Gathering
July 19, 2015 at 7:39 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 7:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: There are, of course, those of us who've never believed, and for whom objections to christianity or god have little -or nothing- to do with objections to it's existence. Perpetually blindsiding poorly prepared apologists.....
Those who have never believed may still have reasons why they rejected Christianity when they first learned of it.
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RE: Objections: The Gathering
July 19, 2015 at 7:40 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 7:30 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Picking the biggest objection to Christianity is like picking the best movie. There are so many good ones that it's hard to choose.
Sure, and they're all classics so you know all the dialogue by heart.
Still, when you are face to face with someone who says something like, "Praise the Lord, brother", you may have a go-to objection that you like to lead with. If so, what is it?
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RE: Objections: The Gathering
July 19, 2015 at 7:43 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 6:53 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 4:52 pm)Metis Wrote: #12 Your religion proposes far too many logical inconsistencies to be plausible and has infallibly contradicted itself several times.
It would be more helpful if you listed these inconsistencies and contradictions as opposed to merely asserting that they exist.
Thanks.
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Also...
A recap of criticism of the common arguments for the existence of God.
The Secular Web is a good resource for this sort of thing.
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RE: Objections: The Gathering
July 19, 2015 at 7:43 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 7:39 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: (July 19, 2015 at 7:29 pm)Rhythm Wrote: There are, of course, those of us who've never believed, and for whom objections to christianity or god have little -or nothing- to do with objections to it's existence. Perpetually blindsiding poorly prepared apologists.....
Those who have never believed may still have reasons why they rejected Christianity when they first learned of it.
What if I never learned about it other than from a scholar's view (the same way I learned about any other religion)?
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RE: Objections: The Gathering
July 19, 2015 at 7:45 pm
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(July 19, 2015 at 6:53 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: It would be more helpful if you listed these inconsistencies and contradictions as opposed to merely asserting that they exist.
Thanks.
Fair enough
- Pope Innocent III and Pope Gregory IX (1200) considered abortion to be homicide only when the fetusis "formed".
- Pope Sixtus V (1588), declared contraception and abortion at any stage of pregnancy, whether the fetus was "animated or not animated, formed or unformed," to be homicide and a mortal sin
- Pope Gregory XIV (1591) revoked the previous Papal bull and reinstated the "quickening" test (the perception by a mother that the fetus moves/is animated) which he determined happened 116 days into pregnancy.
- Pope Pius IX (1869) dropped the distinction between the "fetus animatus" and "fetus inanimatus" saying that the soul enters the embryo at conception.
In the Cadaver synod you had a series of Popes consecutively proclaiming one another heretics and then annulling what the other said, Steven condemned Formosus ex cathedra, Stevens decision was later overturned by his successor also ex cathedra.
My best example was actually the one I presented you about the persecution of the Jews being a requirement of the Catholic Faith for several centuries until it suddenly wasn't which you've still not responded to.
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RE: Objections: The Gathering
July 19, 2015 at 7:49 pm
Objection number 2 is a misunderstanding of sorts:
2. If there miracles of God contradict science, then how can any rational person believe they are true?
Quote:Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. In an older and closely related meaning, "science" also refers to this body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied.
The problem with miracles is not that they contradict the existing body of scientific knowledge, so much as it is that they tend to be untestable or the claimant refuses to allow them to be tested. Lacking the ability to test them, skeptics dismiss them as unproven.
Not surprisingly, science has exposed a number of miracles as either out and out fakes, or being simply the result of natural predictable causes.
For example: weeping statues http://skepdic.com/weepingstatues.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weeping_statue; faith healing http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.c...th-healer/; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoffhttp://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Faith_healing; miracle of the sun falling from the sky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun; walking on hot coals/fire walking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewalking and so on.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: Objections: The Gathering
July 19, 2015 at 7:58 pm
(July 19, 2015 at 7:40 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Sure, and they're all classics so you know all the dialogue by heart.
Still, when you are face to face with someone who says something like, "Praise the Lord, brother", you may have a go-to objection that you like to lead with. If so, what is it?
Actually, I have learned from experience to not talk religion with religious people in real life, but I get what you're saying. I guess my go-to objection would be the poor quality of the arguments for god's existence, including the lack of evidence.
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