Can Atheist be objectively moral in the case of a possible follower of an infallible?

[ignoramus]

What did anybody expect?
When you read and start believing fairy tales, of course you're going to start pretending.
How else can you make it real in your head?

These people are ill and they need professional help.

[robvalue]

If you need outside guidance to tell you not to bum a leapord or try out wrestling moves on passing children, then by all means, stick with your religion. It's just that statistically, this belief is mostly unfounded. It's part of the con.

[Cato]

Does this all come from the Quran?

I believe so with proper and inspired understanding.

This can hardly be considered objective.

[Psychonaut]

When we do know, if we ever manage to know, we will then know. Until then, we do not know, so do not claim to know, because you do not know, and if you do know, show us how you know, so you can prove that you know.

As an atheist, I see words like good and evil as evidence that there were and are people who have an archaic view of how the universe works.
Words like good and evil are usually just things that people have found favorable or unfavorable (historically, religiously, and in general).
This can be seen in almost all languages, here's an example from Hebrew.
IE: the Hebrew word for evil רָע also means calamity, clearly showing that they had a cultural view that any time ra (calamity) was used, it was viewed as negative.

"Good" and "evil", like the word "love" are useless when talking about absolutes, as they refer to no clear concept, comparable to the word god.

[robvalue]

Obviously you cannot know those guided by simply them claiming they are guided. Normal people are not meant to be your way of absolute guidance nor is there reason why the Guide would respond to that person asking on your behalf.

The Guide is meant to be the way to God and attraction to his holy exalted soul and love towards him, is suppose to guide you.

And the Guide is not some genie at your disposal whenever you want, he is your Master and you should humble towards him, that the Guide would help and teach you when he knows best and wants to, and when God approves and gives permission to help you and guide you.

"Who God misguides, there is no Guide for him...".

All of you've shown is that there is a problem if people try to go through fallible people claiming to be following an infallible. But this doesn't negate personal guidance if you go towards the Guide.

Emphasis mine. Isn't this exactly what you're telling us to do, to take your word for this? You are someone fallible claiming to follow the infallible. Or are you infallible?

[FreeTony]

Every single religious person practices subjective morality.

They pick the religion that best suits them.
They pick the subset of that religion that best suits them.
They then pick the church within that subset that best suits them.
And they will then ignore all the rules that they don't like, whilst pretending that they follow them. They will even castigate members that are breaking the same rules that they are.


They may say that this is the only church following the bible/koran etc properly. If this is the case then these religious books must be almost impossible to follow properly, given that the vast majority can't seem to do it. So either God is just a terrible communicator, or perhaps they are following a mismash of ideas and stories from thousands of years ago.

[Aoi Magi]

I believe so with proper and inspired understanding.

You seem to forget that you are determining the "proper" part with your own judgement.

[Mystic]

Emphasis mine. Isn't this exactly what you're telling us to do, to take your word for this? You are someone fallible claiming to follow the infallible. Or are you infallible?

I am telling you to take my word for it, or am I showing reasoning towards religion that I've learned from Quran? Am I saying you are to follow all my morals and what I tell you is right or wrong? Come on. Straw Snow Man because that was not only a Straw man but cold.

[Mystic]

You seem to forget that you are determining the "proper" part with your own judgement.

The Quran in all it's important teachings as well ambiguities, are cleared through itself. This is something I've learned makes the book unique with respect to holy books. Imam Ali emphasized that some parts explain other parts. 

Therefore it's interpretation is safeguarded if we reflect with it by some parts over others, and not interpret verses according to our desires in isolation.

[Mystic]

Every single religious person practices subjective morality.

They pick the religion that best suits them.
They pick the subset of that religion that best suits them.
They then pick the church within that subset that best suits them.
And they will then ignore all the rules that they don't like, whilst pretending that they follow them. They will even castigate members that are breaking the same rules that they are.


They may say that this is the only church following the bible/koran etc properly. If this is the case then these religious books must be almost impossible to follow properly, given that the vast majority can't seem to do it. So either God is just a terrible communicator, or perhaps they are following a mismash of ideas and stories from thousands of years ago.

I would agree with your sentence if you said "almost every religious person" or "most...". Not all. Few they are, but there are those walking guidance of God through a company of a Guide and Leader from God.