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Poor Shaming Doesn't Pay
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RE: Poor Shaming Doesn't Pay
(July 29, 2015 at 10:51 pm)Lek Wrote: What is so terrible about drug testing welfare recipients?  Companies regularly require employees to submit to random drug tests or be fired.  The reason Arizona's drug testing is ineffective and unfair is that they require suspicion of drug use prior to ordering a test.  How do you come up with that suspicion? Do you follow them around for awhile?  The law should be amended to require random drug testing for all adult welfare recipients.  When a person is called for a drug test, they do it and it's over.  I've been through a number of them myself.  That's the way it is these days.

Lek, did you read the fucking article? It's monstrously expensive and ineffective, but you want it to be expanded? Why, so that the ones who do fail are given a criminal record, effectively destroying their chances of ever finding employment?
What a backward way of thinking. "The thing isn't working! We must do it HARDER!"
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#22
RE: Poor Shaming Doesn't Pay
(July 29, 2015 at 10:59 pm)Iroscato Wrote: ...
What a backward way of thinking. "The thing isn't working! We must do it HARDER!"

With comments like that, you show quite clearly how unfamiliar you are with America.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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#23
RE: Poor Shaming Doesn't Pay
(July 29, 2015 at 10:59 pm)Iroscato Wrote:
(July 29, 2015 at 10:51 pm)Lek Wrote: What is so terrible about drug testing welfare recipients?  Companies regularly require employees to submit to random drug tests or be fired.  The reason Arizona's drug testing is ineffective and unfair is that they require suspicion of drug use prior to ordering a test.  How do you come up with that suspicion? Do you follow them around for awhile?  The law should be amended to require random drug testing for all adult welfare recipients.  When a person is called for a drug test, they do it and it's over.  I've been through a number of them myself.  That's the way it is these days.

Lek, did you read the fucking article? It's monstrously expensive and ineffective, but you want it to be expanded? Why, so that the ones who do fail are given a criminal record, effectively destroying their chances of ever finding employment?
What a backward way of thinking. "The thing isn't working! We must do it HARDER!"

Any idiot knows that the only way to have an effective drug testing program is to make it random.  No wonder it doesn't work.  You're answer is to let people use taxpayer money to fund the illegal drug business and to destroy families.  How about the costs incurred from drug use and the subsequent effect on children?  And it's not monstrously expensive.  If civilian companies didn't feel it was worthwhile financially, they wouldn't have drug testing programs.
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RE: Poor Shaming Doesn't Pay
Quote:I've been through a number of them myself. 

I'll buy that.  You frequently sound like you're stoned out of your mind.
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