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RE: atheism and children
August 13, 2015 at 10:07 pm
(August 13, 2015 at 9:50 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: (August 13, 2015 at 9:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't think abortion should be legal because it's killing another person. But things like heroin (or others), prostitution, and assisted suicide, while I don't support morally, I don't think should be illegal because you're not taking away the rights of another person.
do you support, or at least accept the premise, that you can be in the morally "correct" position and still "need" to kill someone? For example: you could kill someone in self defense, or in the defense of someone else who is imminently in danger of being killed by someone else.
Self defense against an instigator, yes, absolutely. But purposely killing an innocent person, a very young person at that, no.
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RE: atheism and children
August 13, 2015 at 10:31 pm
(August 13, 2015 at 10:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Self defense against an instigator, yes, absolutely. But purposely killing an innocent person, a very young person at that, no.
So was Abraham morally wrong to attempt to kill his son Isaac?
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RE: atheism and children
August 13, 2015 at 10:36 pm
(August 13, 2015 at 10:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Self defense against an instigator, yes, absolutely. But purposely killing an innocent person, a very young person at that, no.
What if the instigator is someone who you would consider an "innocent" or someone who doesn't have the capacity to understand what they are doing? For example, a profoundly mentally ill person, who has the emotional capacity and self control of a young child but the physical strength of an adult (think Lennie from Of Mice and Men)
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RE: atheism and children
August 14, 2015 at 12:22 am
(August 13, 2015 at 10:36 pm)Clueless Morgan Wrote: (August 13, 2015 at 10:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Self defense against an instigator, yes, absolutely. But purposely killing an innocent person, a very young person at that, no.
What if the instigator is someone who you would consider an "innocent" or someone who doesn't have the capacity to understand what they are doing? For example, a profoundly mentally ill person, who has the emotional capacity and self control of a young child but the physical strength of an adult (think Lennie from Of Mice and Men)
Insane/mentally ill or not, if an instigator is coming after you, trying to kill you (or someone else), you have the right to exert as much force as is necessary to stop them. If that amount of force results in their death, it is tragic but not immoral IMHO.
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RE: atheism and children
August 14, 2015 at 1:12 pm
I have to say that I'm impressed with your level of cognitive dissonance.
You say that's it's okay ("tragic but not immoral" to use your words) to kill an "innocent" person who might kill you, but it's NOT okay to directly abort an ectopic pregnancy which will have the exact say effect as an "innocent" killing someone (an embryo killing its mother). I find it fascinating that that you say one must end an ectopic pregnancy by removing a section of the Fallopian tube in order to avoid a direct abortion of the embryo but still save the mother's life ( Post #477), when, in some cases, there is no need for such a drastic, invasive procedure; if caught early enough the pregnancy can be ended through medical intervention, without the need for a surgical one.
Furthermore, I'm profoundly dumbstruck by the fact that you think it's "tragic but not immoral" to kill an "innocent" who might kill another person, but that it's definitely immoral to combine a sperm and an ovum in a petri dish.
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RE: atheism and children
August 14, 2015 at 1:44 pm
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RE: atheism and children
August 14, 2015 at 2:43 pm
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Immoral to combine a sperm and an ovum in a petri dish?
I haven't been keeping up with this thread, so someone's going to have to fill me in on how my children are abominations.
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RE: atheism and children
August 14, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Last I heard it isn't immoral, but it is unholy, so you got that going for you. 
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RE: atheism and children
August 14, 2015 at 2:52 pm
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Unholy is actually a pretty good description for them.
Nah, I kid. They're actually pretty good boys.
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RE: atheism and children
August 14, 2015 at 2:55 pm
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