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RE: HELL
September 1, 2015 at 11:19 pm
(September 1, 2015 at 11:10 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: (September 1, 2015 at 12:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Like the article explained, the catechism here is quoting Jesus speaking figuratively. The Encyclopedia of Catholicism as well as other Catholic sources specifically say that biblical images of Hell are not to be taken literally.
How very.... Christian. Anything the buy-bull says that the church authority doesn't like, well that's just allegorical. ![[Image: free-rolleye-smileys-323.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=www.easyfreesmileys.com%2Fsmileys%2Ffree-rolleye-smileys-323.gif)
I await the day they decide all of it is allegorical.
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RE: HELL
September 1, 2015 at 11:56 pm
(September 1, 2015 at 12:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: You really believe God's going to set up a printing press and print Bibles in a language only God can understand, you're being a bit out on the limb aren't you?
Well of course, that would be silly, wouldn't it?
It's not like the character can work miracles.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: HELL
September 2, 2015 at 12:59 am
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2015 at 1:23 am by robvalue.)
All of this comes down to one thing:
God can't do anything wrong. If it seems like God is doing something wrong, it is us who misunderstands. He can't do anything wrong because he's God, and that means he can't do anything wrong. Because he's God.
This is an incredibly dangerous (and totally circular) position to take, which involves the complete surrender of your humanity and morality. Especially when you are relying completely on people to deliver god's "messages". Consider for a moment the implications of this if you are wrong.
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RE: HELL
September 2, 2015 at 1:21 am
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2015 at 1:47 am by IATIA.)
Dogma Wrote:Let me get this straight.
You don't believe in God because of Alice in Wonderland?
No, Through the Looking Glass.
That poem,"The Walrus and the Carpenter"...
that's an indictment of organized religion.
The Walrus, with his girth and his good nature...
he obviously represents either Buddha...
or with his tusks, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha.
That takes care of your Eastern religions.
Now, the Carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ...
who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions.
Now, in the poem, what do they do?
They dupe all these oysters into following them...
and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse.
I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says...
that following these faiths based on mythological figures...
ensures the destruction of one's inner-being.
Organized religion destroys who we are...
by inhibiting our actions, by inhibiting our decisions...
out of fear of some intangible parent figure...
who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago...
and says, "Do it...Do it and I'll fuckin' spank you!"
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
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Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
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RE: HELL
September 2, 2015 at 1:32 am
(August 31, 2015 at 7:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The church doesn't like it when people make up their own rules.....
http://www.integratedcatholiclife.org/20...-and-hell/
I noticed that they jumped right into Pascal's wager pretty much from the get go.
Quote: Jesus exhorted us to be ready for judgment. Why? Why does it matter? If Hell does not exist or if there is no after-life, what possible difference does being ready make?
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
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RE: HELL
September 2, 2015 at 1:45 am
(This post was last modified: September 2, 2015 at 1:45 am by robvalue.)
It matters a lot if you've based your life around it and messed with other peoples' lives too.
I'm planning a video on PW soon.
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RE: HELL
September 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm
(September 1, 2015 at 10:03 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: GC, I read plenty of books at the age of ten without guidance. I practically ate books. There's no way my parents would have been able to keep up.
And we see what happened.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: HELL
September 2, 2015 at 12:33 pm
(September 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: (September 1, 2015 at 10:03 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: GC, I read plenty of books at the age of ten without guidance. I practically ate books. There's no way my parents would have been able to keep up.
And we see what happened.
GC
I certainly hope you're not advertising half illiterate ignorance as an ideal to strive for.
Although, on second thought, I suspect you meant just that.
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RE: HELL
September 2, 2015 at 12:37 pm
(September 2, 2015 at 12:33 pm)abaris Wrote: (September 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: And we see what happened.
GC
I certainly hope you're not advertising half illiterate ignorance as an ideal to strive for.
Although, on second thought, I suspect you meant just that.
Meant it? Proud, breast-pounding, half-illiterate ignorance is an "ideal" GC embodies.
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RE: HELL
September 2, 2015 at 12:51 pm
(September 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: (September 1, 2015 at 10:03 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: GC, I read plenty of books at the age of ten without guidance. I practically ate books. There's no way my parents would have been able to keep up.
And we see what happened.
GC
It turns out that she's nice, intelligent, and has the common sense to know what is fiction and non-fiction. But, I'm sure that you didn't mean it that way, because you believe in talking donkeys and magic jesus walking on water.
Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' -Isaac Asimov-
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