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RE: im a nazi
September 5, 2015 at 7:47 pm
(September 5, 2015 at 3:31 pm)abaris Wrote: (September 5, 2015 at 3:27 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Nazis routinely executed any black troops that they captured. It wasn't that many since there weren't very many black troops in the war zone. But then the US also gunned down captured German troops by the thousands.
Bullshit. Educate yourself.
Never gonna happen. Honestly, I think he enjoys being demonstrably wrong.
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RE: im a nazi
September 5, 2015 at 8:32 pm
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(September 5, 2015 at 7:32 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Yeah, as I said, the US practiced institutionalized racism. My point was that blacks did indeed fight the NaZis, no matter the rationale.
There are actually documentaries about the black bataillons. And they all make a point of them being allowed to fight racists whilst being treated racist o returning home.
On a lighter side note, Germans as well as African Americans spit racism in the face after the war when having children together. Not as a rule, but it happened.
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RE: im a nazi
September 5, 2015 at 9:02 pm
(September 5, 2015 at 3:31 pm)abaris Wrote: (September 5, 2015 at 3:27 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The Nazis routinely executed any black troops that they captured. It wasn't that many since there weren't very many black troops in the war zone. But then the US also gunned down captured German troops by the thousands.
Bullshit. Educate yourself.
Here's video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oTeOKqwVC4
There are more examples if you want to get bogged down with them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenogne_massacre
"US ARMY SLAUGHTERED GERMAN POWS
The German armed forces invariably obeyed the Rules of War conventions to the letter. Speaking for himself and other allied military commanders, Major General Robert W. Grow, U.S.A. Commander 6th Armored Division in Europe conceded there was ‘no German atrocity problem’.
"My service during World War Two was in command of an armored division throughout the European campaign, from Normandy to Saxony. My division lost quite a number of officers and men captured between July 1944 and April 1945. In no instance did I hear of personnel from our division receiving treatment other than proper under the 'Rules of Land Warfare'. As far as the 6th Armored Division was concerned in its 280 days of front line contact, there was no 'atrocity problem'. Frankly, I was aghast, as were many of my contemporaries, when we learned of the proposed 'war crimes' trials and the fact that military commanders were among the accused. I know of no general officer who approved of them." (9)
Despite the German observance of convention the American forces response was often as summary and as brutal as those practiced by their Soviet allies. Only in cases where large numbers of captured soldiers had been taken were they to be enslaved. If captured in smaller groups the US Army policy was simply to slaughter their captured prisoners where they stood.
A specific study is now being made for the purpose of compiling evidence of such atrocities to which the author, Michael Walsh, would appreciate input.
One such case was the cold-blooded slaying of an estimated 700 troops of the 8th SS Mountain Division. These troops who had fought with honorable distinction had earlier captured a US field hospital. Although the German troops had conducted themselves properly they were, when subsequently captured by the US Army, routinely separated and gunned down in groups by squads of American troops.
US ARMY TURNS PEACEFUL DACHAU INTO CHARNEL HOUSE
A similar fate befell infantrymen of the SS Westphalia Brigade who were captured by the US 3rd Armored Division. Most of the German captives were shot through the back of the head. "The jubilant Americans told the locals to leave their bodies in the streets as a warning to others of US revenge" Their corpses lay in the streets for five days before the occupying forces relented and allowed the corpses to be buried. After the war the German authorities attempted, without success, to prosecute the GIs responsible. (10)
Ironically in the light of postwar research it has been revealed that the only atrocities committed at Dachau were those carried out by the victorious allies. Equally ironically this camp was an allied concentration camp (eleven years) for a longer period of time than it was a German administered camp. There, "Three hundred SS camp guards were quickly neutralized." on the orders of General Dwight D. Eisenhower.
The term neutralized of course is a politically correct (or cowardly) way of saying that prisoners-of-war were rounded up and machine-gunned in groups. Accounts of the mass murder of prisoners-of-war at Dachau have been described in at least two books; 'The Day of the Americans by Nerin Gun, Fleet Publishing Company, New York, and, Deliverance Day - The Last Hours at Dachau by Michael Selzer; Lippincot, Philadelphia
These books describe how German prisoners were collected in groups, placed against a wall and methodically machine-gunned by American soldiers while some were still standing, hands raised in surrender. American soldiers casually climbed over the still twitching bodies, killing the wounded. Whilst this was happening, American photographers were taking pictures of the massacres that have since been published.
At Dachau, which was in the American zone of Germany, a shock force of American and Polish guards attempted to entrain a group of Russian prisoners from Vlasov's Army who had refused to be repatriated under the new American ruling." http://www.whale.to/b/walsh11.html
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RE: im a nazi
September 5, 2015 at 9:04 pm
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Yes, blanket statement based on isolated incidents. Again, broaden your horizon, but I might just be talking to a wall, I guess. It wasn't the rule.
Puhh, I'm getting really tired dealing with conspiracy nuts. This Michael Walsh of your is obviously a revisionist. But since you obviously don't care where your opinion of the day comes from, I can just as well let the matter lie. Just one thing to be perfectly clear: If I want to hear an ass talking, I'm buying a can of beans and listen to my own farts. They're much more informative than anything any revisionist or conspiracy nut can come up with.
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RE: im a nazi
September 5, 2015 at 9:15 pm
(September 5, 2015 at 7:32 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Yeah, as I said, the US practiced institutionalized racism. My point was that blacks did indeed fight the NaZis, no matter the rationale.
Although the 332nd wasn't formed from a shortage of pilots, but rather at the behest of Eleanor Roosevelt, iirc, after talking with the heads of the NAACP.
Your own example just proves how racist the country was. It was like the Confederacy. While it did have some black troops it refused to grant the slaves freedom to enlist in large numbers because they didn't want to be beholden to the blacks for any potential victory. Even the head of the future KKK, Nathan Bedford Forrest, had a squad of black troops as his aides. Black troops were free to kill the Japanese. The Us government didn't want blacks getting used to killing white people, even if the whites were Nazis who were intent on conquering the world. From a practical matter there wasn't very much difference between the US and Nazi Germany at that time. The US just had better propaganda.
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RE: im a nazi
September 5, 2015 at 9:24 pm
(September 5, 2015 at 9:04 pm)abaris Wrote: Yes, blanket statement based on isolated incidents. Again, broaden your horizon, but I might just be talking to a wall, I guess. It wasn't the rule.
Puhh, I'm getting really tired dealing with conspiracy nuts. This Michael Walsh of your is obviously a revisionist. But since you obviously don't care where your opinion of the day comes from, I can just as well let the matter lie. Just one thing to be perfectly clear: If I want to hear an ass talking, I'm buying a can of beans and listen to my own farts. They're much more informative than anything any revisionist or conspiracy nut can come up with.
Would you be happy if I documented every single execution? Since you are losing the argument feel free to resort to personal insults.
So maybe you can explain why you are upset about Diaz saying that he's a Nazi?
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RE: im a nazi
September 5, 2015 at 11:02 pm
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Quote: (September 5, 2015 at 7:32 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Yeah, as I said, the US practiced institutionalized racism. My point was that blacks did indeed fight the NaZis, no matter the rationale.
There are actually documentaries about the black bataillons. And they all make a point of them being allowed to fight racists whilst being treated racist o returning home.
Yes, as I've already acknowledged to Wyrd. Sadly, our uberpatriots always seem to forget that.
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RE: im a nazi
September 5, 2015 at 11:17 pm
I can't let a thread of this title go by without bringing up this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LayW8aq4GLw
To give some context, famous film director Lars Von Trier was raised by a Jewish family, but apparently, his mother told him on her deathbed his biological father was a German (albeit one who worked against the Nazis during the occupation of Denmark). Lars von Trier, being the filmmaking God-cum-complete jackass he is, decided to say he was a Nazi during a press conference at Cannes. Kirsten Dunst's reactions to him digging himself into a hole are priceless.
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RE: im a nazi
September 6, 2015 at 12:15 am
(September 5, 2015 at 9:15 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (September 5, 2015 at 7:32 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Yeah, as I said, the US practiced institutionalized racism. My point was that blacks did indeed fight the NaZis, no matter the rationale.
Although the 332nd wasn't formed from a shortage of pilots, but rather at the behest of Eleanor Roosevelt, iirc, after talking with the heads of the NAACP.
Your own example just proves how racist the country was. It was like the Confederacy. While it did have some black troops it refused to grant the slaves freedom to enlist in large numbers because they didn't want to be beholden to the blacks for any potential victory. Even the head of the future KKK, Nathan Bedford Forrest, had a squad of black troops as his aides. Black troops were free to kill the Japanese. The Us government didn't want blacks getting used to killing white people, even if the whites were Nazis who were intent on conquering the world. From a practical matter there wasn't very much difference between the US and Nazi Germany at that time. The US just had better propaganda.
That's probably why I wrote "the US practiced institutional racism."
You don't seem to be reading my entire posts.
Also, your direct comparison of the US and NaZi Germany is laughably myopic. Quite frankly, if you're a Holocaust-denier, I simply won't be able to take you seriously ... and not just this topic, either.
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RE: im a nazi
September 6, 2015 at 12:25 am
(September 2, 2015 at 8:34 am)shadowchrist Wrote: Describing himself as a 'National Socialist,' New York City cab driver Gabriel Diaz talks with CBS 2's Lou Young about the Nazi armband he was caught wearing in his cab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dbfXp8_qjo
Well good thing we will be nazi seeing you around here anymore.
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