How America will collapse (by 2025)

[lilyannerose]

HOw long do you think the US is going to survive this bullshit?

Wind at their backs: Powerful Democrats help Chinese energy firm chase stimulus money

Source: MSNBC

WASHINGTON — Top Democratic fundraisers and lobbyists with links to the White House are behind a proposed wind farm in Texas that stands to get $450 million in stimulus money, even though a Chinese company would operate the farm and its turbines would be built in China.

The farm’s backers also have close ties with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who, at the height of his hard-fought re-election bid this fall, helped blunt congressional criticism over stimulus dollars possibly going to create jobs in China by endorsing a proposal by the Chinese company to build a factory in his home state. Although his campaign received thousands of dollars in donations from the wind farm’s backers and Reid stood on stage with them at a campaign event they hosted, his office declined to answer any questions about the wind farm’s organizers or their plans for Nevada.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40565987/ns/business-going_... /

[Jaysyn]

HOw long do you think the US is going to survive this bullshit?

Wind at their backs: Powerful Democrats help Chinese energy firm chase stimulus money

Source: MSNBC

WASHINGTON — Top Democratic fundraisers and lobbyists with links to the White House are behind a proposed wind farm in Texas that stands to get $450 million in stimulus money, even though a Chinese company would operate the farm and its turbines would be built in China.

The farm’s backers also have close ties with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who, at the height of his hard-fought re-election bid this fall, helped blunt congressional criticism over stimulus dollars possibly going to create jobs in China by endorsing a proposal by the Chinese company to build a factory in his home state. Although his campaign received thousands of dollars in donations from the wind farm’s backers and Reid stood on stage with them at a campaign event they hosted, his office declined to answer any questions about the wind farm’s organizers or their plans for Nevada.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40565987/ns/business-going_... /

And we just sold India 10 C-17 transport aircraft from Boeing for $3.5bn. They are also eyeing $11bn more in fighter jets. What is your point?

American companies are more than welcome to use the same stimulus money to build windfarms over here. Why aren't they doing so? If a Chinese company finds it to profitable to supply us with clean energy, why is this a problem? Clean energy is a good thing!

[lilyannerose]

It's clear to me that a collapse is coming but I obviously hold the minority view. We have a government wherein the governing parties exist in a state of partisanship that has made it impossible to move this country on. Everyday significant amounts of monies are thrown into endless meaningless wars. We have corruption in our government on a level never before experienced, due to the impact of our election process and the never ending chase for treasure to fill the war chest. It doesn't appear that many people feel that the government represents them, it doesn't and why should it? At one time politicians needed the individual donors and small business donations, not with the way the laws are written at this time. America's number one product for sale is a politician and compared to the fortunes reaped by their large contributors our politicians are cheap to buy and pretty much stay bought. How long does anyone really think that this system can survive? Why should candidates waste hours hustling cash out of individuals and small businesses when a fraction of the time spent with corporate monkeys generates more money in less time.

There were points raised about our poor education system. At one time America used to be proud of our ability to innovate and move forward, now a large segment of Americans are proud of their ignorance and find no shame in their inability to use spell check. How many viable jobs are there for those who celebrate their ignorance because it means they are not elite? At one time it was important to parents that their children received educations and communities were proud of their schools and libraries. Now communities are struggling to keep the doors of both open. Our education for our young people has devolved into a rote system in order for students to pass tests with no emphasis on more abstract leaning aids such as abstract, critical or logical thinking.

America has become lost in this great Orwell Speak push over the last ten years. You have a significant percentage of citizens in this country who question absolutely nothing they are told, who actually believe that FAUX news is their friend and is giving it to them straight and that one political party or the other has their best interest at heart. Some revere Glenn Beck as Beck disguises the fact that he's nothing more than an infomercial host with a lot of products to sell.

Too many Americans really think that they mega millionaire talking heads have their interest at heart that all of these Lonesome Rhodes archetypes are just one of the good old boys.

America's people are weakening and embracing blind obedience and I don't see how it's possible for a country to move forward with these type of folks in the front seat.

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HOw long do you think the US is going to survive this bullshit?

Wind at their backs: Powerful Democrats help Chinese energy firm chase stimulus money

Source: MSNBC

WASHINGTON — Top Democratic fundraisers and lobbyists with links to the White House are behind a proposed wind farm in Texas that stands to get $450 million in stimulus money, even though a Chinese company would operate the farm and its turbines would be built in China.

The farm’s backers also have close ties with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who, at the height of his hard-fought re-election bid this fall, helped blunt congressional criticism over stimulus dollars possibly going to create jobs in China by endorsing a proposal by the Chinese company to build a factory in his home state. Although his campaign received thousands of dollars in donations from the wind farm’s backers and Reid stood on stage with them at a campaign event they hosted, his office declined to answer any questions about the wind farm’s organizers or their plans for Nevada.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40565987/ns/business-going_... /

And we just sold India 10 C-17 transport aircraft from Boeing for $3.5bn. They are also eyeing $11bn more in fighter jets. What is your point?

American companies are more than welcome to use the same stimulus money to build windfarms over here. Why aren't they doing so? If a Chinese company finds it to profitable to supply us with clean energy, why is this a problem? Clean energy is a good thing!

We need those manufacturing jobs here in the US not in China.

[Jaysyn]

We need those manufacturing jobs here in the US not in China.

I heartily agree. So tell me, what US companies are being denied the opportunity to build this windfarm & collect the contested stimulus money?

[Minimalist]

Those "American" companies go to China for cheap labor. You can recognize them easily because they are the ones with their fucking hands out for more tax breaks.

The only investment they make over here is to buy lobbyists to bribe congressmen.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

America is the world's largest debtor nation.There are few other nations on earth as jingoistic and who spend as much money on war.

The collapse got under way with the recent economic melt down. The economy does not seem to be recovering:The government continues to borrow without an increase in production,a recipe for disaster.The value of the dollar has begun its slide,helped along by printing more money with nothing extra to back it.

America survives its debt by paying the interest. When (not if) it defaults,just once, China, its major creditor, will dump its US paper.The US will be fucked and that will trigger a world wide depression.

One simple way to postpone the inevitable:Get over the arrogant assumption that the US is the leader and sheriff of the free world. (whatever that is) THEN withdraw all overseas troops and adopt a strict military policy of isolation.

[Shell B]

Why is the idea of collapse automatically favored over the idea that there could be revolution, reform and any number of changes that do not result in the destruction of America? I'm sorry, but the opinions you have expressed here are a little fatalistic, lily.

I saw mention that our government would need money to run our military. Sure, we would and do. However, this country has actually seen war boost our economy before. If we're throwing all kinds of possibilities out there, why jump on the one that results in doom and gloom? No one can predict what will happen. We could overthrow the government and establish a monarchy by 2025 for all any of us know.

I'm just not much of a prediction person.

[Ashendant]

a undervalued currency is good for a exporting country, the reason why china has been manipulating it's coin since like forever

[lilyannerose]

We need those manufacturing jobs here in the US not in China.

I heartily agree. So tell me, what US companies are being denied the opportunity to build this windfarm & collect the contested stimulus money?

This webpage will advise you who builds Wind Turbines:

http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/large_wi...turers.htm

In order to find out which companies could have received stimulus dollars you should be able to pull up links by googling

us companies develop wind farms

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&expIds=1725...1ba0d4cfd8

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Why is the idea of collapse automatically favored over the idea that there could be revolution, reform and any number of changes that do not result in the destruction of America? I'm sorry, but the opinions you have expressed here are a little fatalistic, lily.

I saw mention that our government would need money to run our military. Sure, we would and do. However, this country has actually seen war boost our economy before. If we're throwing all kinds of possibilities out there, why jump on the one that results in doom and gloom? No one can predict what will happen. We could overthrow the government and establish a monarchy by 2025 for all any of us know.

I'm just not much of a prediction person.

I appreciate your interpretation that I'm being perhaps a little fatalistic, however, after watching Americans sit back through one crisis after another with outrage lasting no longer than the next news cycle, I seem to have lost confidence that change will transpire.

Who do you feel will step up and start to initiate actions that will lead to the majority of the country following in order to change things?

[Shell B]

I appreciate your interpretation that I'm being perhaps a little fatalistic

I get the sense that you don't appreciate it at all, but you have to admit that your assessment is rather linear.

however, after watching Americans sit back through one crisis after another with outrage lasting no longer than the next news cycle, I seem to have lost confidence that change will transpire.

That's a blanket statement. I assure you that once something has outraged me, it never ceases to do so.

Who do you feel will step up and start to initiate actions that will lead to the majority of the country following in order to change things?

I actually never said that I felt that would happen. I merely pointed out all of the possibilities that you overlooked in your doomsaying.

You can't expect me to say who would start a revolution when the need for a full-scale revolution has not arisen. Now, if action were absolutely necessary, there is only the hope that a group would emerge.

History shows us that things do not always turn out the way one expects. You can never predict the rise or fall of a country until it is upon you. As I mentioned before, the United States has boosted its economy during a war before. In fact, it was World War II and the Great Depression had just occurred. Crops were fucking ravaged, the economy tanked and Americans persevered. You just never know what will happen.