God's Name

[Mystic]

Do you guys remember this thread: http://atheistforums.org/thread-15323-page-7.html

I put it where I started to question the very foundation of what it perceive ourselves to be. Praise and value mainly. Purpose.  

I suggest you read that thread and then begin to question, if you truly do believe in praise - why do you? You will inshallah see the face of God living in you and that you are connected to the Sacred. In fact praise only exists through his name.

My last post in that thread:

I hope everyone finds their path and meaning. It's been a humbling experience. Questioning our very foundation of our humanity and self.

[AFTT47]

Is it Allah, it's Allah isn't it?  Do I win anything?

Allah is a title that means either "The God" which is derived from god, which means either worthy of worship or the worshiped.

I have to think that any being worthy of worship would not want anything of it.

[Silver]

Man's desire to be worshiped accordingly transitioned over to his god creation also wanting the same thing.

Men, who realize they could be forgotten once they are dead, want nothing more than to be revered and remembered in some way, because they want to matter beyond rational mattering.

[Losty]

Do you guys remember this thread: https://atheistforums.org/thread-15323-page-7.html

I put it where I started to question the very foundation of what it perceive ourselves to be. Praise and value mainly. Purpose.  

I suggest you read that thread and then begin to question, if you truly do believe in praise - why do you? You will inshallah see the face of God living in you and that you are connected to the Sacred. In fact praise only exists through his name.

My last post in that thread:

I hope everyone finds their path and meaning. It's been a humbling experience. Questioning our very foundation of our humanity and self.

I read your posts in that thread and I must say you sounded even crazier back then than you do now. O_o
Do you ever read your own posts and think...wtf does that even mean?

[robvalue]

I wouldn't know for sure, but it would be some evidence at least. By easily observing evidence to the contrary every day, this is evidence that he is not in fact good, unless this is actually the best he can do. A far less powerful God would be much easier to justify.

What sort of evidence can he give that would indicate conclusively he is good?

When you're talking about the motivations of an intelligent being, it's beyond our power to ever be certain someone is "good" and not just pretending to be good while hatching an evil plan. All we can do is make a reasonable estimate based on evidence. It's the same with everything in life. We have no certainty, we have probabilities. However, if we have evidence that they appear not to be good, then it's reasonable to not yet believe they are good. It's not reasonable to assume they must be good anyway and make a load of baseless assertions to excuse their behaviour. Better to wait until proper evidence can be evaluated.

If this God could demonstrate to us what he's up against, what the limits to his resources are, why our lives are in fact the best he can make them and what his overall plan is, then he could make a convincing case.

But if this God is a being of limited power governing the whole universe, the idea that he's even aware of us is far fetched; and if his interests are universal, we'd also be inconsequential. He wouldn't necessarily have any idea we are self aware. Our time on this planet, cosmically speaking, is the blink of an eye. The idea that this being is actually primarily worried about what we're up to and what hole we stick our dicks in, while fighting a battle to keep the whole universe in order for whatever reason, just demonstrates the super inflated ego of our species.

[Mystic]

Do you guys remember this thread: https://atheistforums.org/thread-15323-page-7.html

I put it where I started to question the very foundation of what it perceive ourselves to be. Praise and value mainly. Purpose.  

I suggest you read that thread and then begin to question, if you truly do believe in praise - why do you? You will inshallah see the face of God living in you and that you are connected to the Sacred. In fact praise only exists through his name.

My last post in that thread:

I read your posts in that thread and I must say you sounded even crazier back then than you do now. O_o
Do you ever read your own posts and think...wtf does that even mean?

Well I'm glad you read it. It shows you are in search of truth.

[Mystic]

When you're talking about the motivations of an intelligent being, it's beyond our power to ever be certain someone is "good" and not just pretending to be good while hatching an evil plan. All we can do is make a reasonable estimate based on evidence. It's the same with everything in life. We have no certainty, we have probabilities. However, if we have evidence that they appear not to be good, then it's reasonable to not yet believe they are good. It's not reasonable to assume they must be good anyway and make a load of baseless assertions to excuse their behaviour. Better to wait until proper evidence can be evaluated.

If this God could demonstrate to us what he's up against, what the limits to his resources are, why our lives are in fact the best he can make them and what his overall plan is, then he could make a convincing case.

But if this God is a being of limited power governing the whole universe, the idea that he's even aware of us is far fetched; and if his interests are universal, we'd also be inconsequential. He wouldn't necessarily have any idea we are self aware. Our time on this planet, cosmically speaking, is the blink of an eye. The idea that this being is actually primarily worried about what we're up to and what hole we stick our dicks in, while fighting a battle to keep the whole universe in order for whatever reason, just demonstrates the super inflated ego of our species.

The thing we had discussion on issue of suffering before.  I am convinced this world is perfectly consistent with a good Creator. I've shown why and explained why. I've also talked about evidence of God. But if we want to be skeptical and want God to prove in a miracle way, let me give you another example.

Miracles happen - you can say it's Aliens. However, with God's Name, you would know God is the Lord of the worlds, and will not put us in the mercy of being played upon by deception of Aliens. Therefore miracles only prove Prophethood and revelation, when coupled with God's Name.

Aside from that, one can believe God would be testing us with a Prophet that had a miracle. Perhaps God is deceiving us in that sense. He sends that Prophet with miracles but doesn't want us to follow him. Again it's God Name that proves the authority of the Prophet. God is truthful and not a deceiver.

And if people wanted to doubt God and his nature, and say perhaps he is evil, then they would. In fact even in a perfect world, some people might think the Creator is just making them taste good stuff for now and good life so that when he tortures for them infinite time later, they remember how good it was without it, which makes it even worse. 

It's again through God's Name/face or a connection to him, that we know he is good.

At any rate, it seems to me, if a Creator wanted us to know his nature, he would establish a link to his nature, a connection, a knowledge, a way of knowing him through experience. But it seems a lot of Atheists automatically take this as impossible way of knowing.

What refutes the accusation that Prophets were sorcerers for example, is that knowledge and trust in God's Lordship over creation, and that he would not put us in the mercy of deceiving sorcerers, who can split the moon and put it back together for example.

[The Grand Nudger]

Actually, I think that a much better refutation (lol) of an accusation of sorcery...is that there's no such thing as sorcery............call me crazy.

[Anomalocaris]

What refutes the accusation that prophets were liars and you are a gullible wishthinking moron?

[Losty]

I read your posts in that thread and I must say you sounded even crazier back then than you do now. O_o
Do you ever read your own posts and think...wtf does that even mean?

Well I'm glad you read it. It shows you are in search of truth.

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