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[CapnAwesome]

That's too damn funny!  Have you seen the number of "trained" cops who have shot themselves?  All training and testing will do is ensure that people will become better shooters as a group.  It will do nothing to reduce the number of people getting shot.  

Every aspect of possessing guns has already been regulated.  So please list six new regulations that will cover things that haven't already been covered by existing regulations.

No I'm not going to name six new regulations. There's a mass shooting every single day in this country, all the conservatives can do is spout "muh sacred hunting culture" "muh defense against tyrannical government" "people will defend themselves against shooters with guns". How about I don't agree. I would be so happy if every gun was taken out of the hands of every citizen in this country. That's not going to happen though, because there's crazy nutters who have a fetish over weapons, (things that kill people,) and we can't even get a single regulation. How the fuck does that make sense?

Do you really think that's the totality of the conservative argument against guns? Did you know when the UK enacted their strict gun laws in 1964 the murder rate actually started to climb.https://fullfact.org/blog/murder_rate_doubled_death_penalty_abolished-2924  (You can read about it here, which actually is an article about the death penalty in Europe, but it has the stat never the less.) The idea that gun ownership is so directly tied to the homicide rate is a false one.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

A car is not designed for the purpose of causing grievous trauma. A firearm has no other purpose, unless you plan to use it as a backscratcher or something.

Ex-East End villain and now chat circuit pundit Dave Courtney, a man used to being shot at, despises guns and the people who carry them. His view is a pragmatic one for a gangster. Basically, taking a gun on a 'job' implies that at some point you are expecting to use it. One simple choice of inappropriate tool and suddenly you're looking at twenty years inside, at least one dead innocent bystander and dozens of destroyed lives, just because someone got twitchy. The crime could have gone ahead anyway, if it needed to happen, without it ending up just another shower of blood and innocent tears on the six o'clock news and then forgotten until the next one.

Good argument, however... Whlie a car isn't designed to cause death, it still can. Anything can if you think about it long enough. Case in point: Paper clips. Season 4 of NCIS in an episode where Ziva tells Tony that she can kill him 18 different ways with a paper clip. Granted, the paper clips original intention was to clip papers together. That doesn't mean that at some point someone won't figure out how to use it as a weapon.

I think you may be missing Stimbo's point - guns are originally designed as killing instruments. Sure, I can kill you with a paper clip, or a pencil or a marshmallow (the last is pretty difficult, but I've got some ideas). But in these cases, the item is not being used as intended. If I kill you with a gun, however, I'm fulfilling the original design of that instrument.

Boru

[Cyberman]

Exactly. I just don't buy the argument that everything is a potential weapon, so we might as well all have real ones. All those potential weapons have thousands of non-lethal uses before we get to the penis-substitute ones. The same car that hit a pedestrian can also carry them to hospital. Try using a handgun to extract a bullet from someone.

[Joods]

Point taken and I understand now. Thanks to both of you for clarifying.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

That's too damn funny!  Have you seen the number of "trained" cops who have shot themselves?  All training and testing will do is ensure that people will become better shooters as a group.  It will do nothing to reduce the number of people getting shot.  

Every aspect of possessing guns has already been regulated.  So please list six new regulations that will cover things that haven't already been covered by existing regulations.

No I'm not going to name six new regulations. There's a mass shooting every single day in this country, all the conservatives can do is spout "muh sacred hunting culture" "muh defense against tyrannical government" "people will defend themselves against shooters with guns". How about I don't agree. I would be so happy if every gun was taken out of the hands of every citizen in this country. That's not going to happen though, because there's crazy nutters who have a fetish over weapons, (things that kill people,) and we can't even get a single regulation. How the fuck does that make sense?

So you just want to pass a lot of useless word salad to add to all of the previous BS written by idiots just to give the impression that you're doing something.  Did you work for Moses?  He thought a lot of silly rules would lead to perfection.  He was wrong and so are you.  

Anyone can kill anyone for any reason or for no reason at any time by any means.  When Samson killed a thousand armed men with the jawbone of a donkey they didn't pass laws banning donkey jawbones.

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

No I'm not going to name six new regulations. There's a mass shooting every single day in this country, all the conservatives can do is spout "muh sacred hunting culture" "muh defense against tyrannical government" "people will defend themselves against shooters with guns". How about I don't agree. I would be so happy if every gun was taken out of the hands of every citizen in this country. That's not going to happen though, because there's crazy nutters who have a fetish over weapons, (things that kill people,) and we can't even get a single regulation. How the fuck does that make sense?

So you just want to pass a lot of useless word salad to add to all of the previous BS written by idiots just to give the impression that you're doing something.  Did you work for Moses?  He thought a lot of silly rules would lead to perfection.  He was wrong and so are you.  

Anyone can kill anyone for any reason or for no reason at any time by any means.  When Samson killed a thousand armed men with the jawbone of a donkey they didn't pass laws banning donkey jawbones.

People already have as many guns as they want, with barely any regulations. That hasn't made the murder rate go down, has it? The argument that people will defend themselves against attackers is stupid. We already have as many guns in the hands of everyone who wants them, that doesn't stop the crime rate from going up. Maybe putting more effort into mental health in this country would help too, there has to be fucking something. I'm tired of your pejoratives too.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

No I'm not going to name six new regulations. There's a mass shooting every single day in this country, all the conservatives can do is spout "muh sacred hunting culture" "muh defense against tyrannical government" "people will defend themselves against shooters with guns". How about I don't agree. I would be so happy if every gun was taken out of the hands of every citizen in this country. That's not going to happen though, because there's crazy nutters who have a fetish over weapons, (things that kill people,) and we can't even get a single regulation. How the fuck does that make sense?

So you just want to pass a lot of useless word salad to add to all of the previous BS written by idiots just to give the impression that you're doing something.  Did you work for Moses?  He thought a lot of silly rules would lead to perfection.  He was wrong and so are you.  

Anyone can kill anyone for any reason or for no reason at any time by any means.  When Samson killed a thousand armed men with the jawbone of a donkey they didn't pass laws banning donkey jawbones.

Yeah, probably not the most cogent argument to make on an atheist message board,

Boru

[DespondentFishdeathMasochismo]

I also want to point out that putting regulations on guns isn't the same as making a list of commandments. Saying that there should be background checks, that we should ban automatic or semi automatic weapons, would be a good step. Taking the guns out of the hands of people with criminal histories, or giving background checks for criminal history or mental illness should be stringent. That would do way more than give people some rules to live by, it would disable people from having guns who can do harm to others.

[Cyberman]

I think there should be one simple form with one simple question; "Do you want to own a gun?"

Answering "yes" automatically disqualifies you from owning one.

[Pizza]

No I'm not going to name six new regulations. There's a mass shooting every single day in this country, all the conservatives can do is spout "muh sacred hunting culture" "muh defense against tyrannical government" "people will defend themselves against shooters with guns". How about I don't agree. I would be so happy if every gun was taken out of the hands of every citizen in this country. That's not going to happen though, because there's crazy nutters who have a fetish over weapons, (things that kill people,) and we can't even get a single regulation. How the fuck does that make sense?

So you just want to pass a lot of useless word salad to add to all of the previous BS written by idiots just to give the impression that you're doing something.  Did you work for Moses?  He thought a lot of silly rules would lead to perfection.  He was wrong and so are you.  

Anyone can kill anyone for any reason or for no reason at any time by any means.  When Samson killed a thousand armed men with the jawbone of a donkey they didn't pass laws banning donkey jawbones.

You're right. We shouldn't have laws at all.