Erm..also, the Big Bang isn't an ex-nihilo theory...its just a model of what happened after the Planck time.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
- Thomas Jefferson
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Erm..also, the Big Bang isn't an ex-nihilo theory...its just a model of what happened after the Planck time.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson (February 4, 2016 at 12:50 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Erm..also, the Big Bang isn't an ex-nihilo theory...its just a model of what happened after the Planck time. It's that Krauss calls it 'A universe from nothing' which annoys people.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
(February 4, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Alex K Wrote:(February 4, 2016 at 12:50 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Erm..also, the Big Bang isn't an ex-nihilo theory...its just a model of what happened after the Planck time. Only if they don't know what he means by the word 'nothing.'
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson (February 4, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Alex K Wrote:(February 4, 2016 at 12:50 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Erm..also, the Big Bang isn't an ex-nihilo theory...its just a model of what happened after the Planck time. ...on which he makes unjustified theological claims. Catholic_Lady Wrote:I accept evolution/big bang so I disagree with that part of it. But I do agree that God does not need to come from anything because He is supernatural and is outside of the dimension of time. He had no beginning. Do you understand that this is a claim, not a logical conclusion? And that by positing that God has no beginning, you forfeit any arguments based on a beginning being a requirement for anything to exist?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
Catholic_Lady Wrote:Whateverist the White Wrote:No it is just those crippled with literal mindedness that are prone to this sort of gaff. Of course many theists are guilty of taking for granted that it is possible to know fantastic things - just because it is what the institution they subscribe to believes. So many think it is an advantage of their mindset that they have answers to far out propositions whereas we have none. It's dangerous for theists to argue each other's beliefs, because all of them that rest on the supernatural are equally unfounded. Best to avoid opening that can of worms, it can lead to atheism. I'm not upset that you believe. I respond to comments. You could make a bad argument for anything and I will point out what's wrong with it. Many theists are content to simply believe without trying to convince anyone else that they're right. Those theists will never hear from me.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
ChadWooters Wrote:Kitan Wrote:Oh, a statement backed up by no factual follow up statement. SURPRISE!I notice you didn't raise the same objection with Cthulu. Maybe you should ask why causality requires a temporal framework. But that's to be expected...challenge the theist but not the atheist. Cthulu wasn't challenged concerning causality requiring a temporal framework for the same reason he wouldn't be challenged concerning a statement that the moon is round.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
Catholic_Lady Wrote:What you believe doesn't bother me. I only respond to what you say. I don't think I'm the only person here for whom that is true.Kitan Wrote:Is that not a rather shallow way of avoiding truth for religion's rather false version of truth?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
Catholic_Lady Wrote:I agree with your first line, cherry. You have to care about whether something is actually true in order to care about whether what someone says about it is true. If what you have to say about God is actually true, it's amazing, senses-shattering information. If it's just a matter of opinion, everyone's got one.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
Catholic_Lady Wrote:Kitan Wrote:Thus enters special pleading on the part of theists in insisting that god is real because natural law does not apply to him. Special Pleading is a fallacy where you try to make an exception to a general rule because it's convenient to your argument. These are examples: All drug abusers should go to jail. Except Rush Limbaugh, anyone can get hooked on oxy, it's not really his fault. Superstition is a pernicious manifestation of ignorance, except astrology, that shit is real. You'd have to be a fool to fall for a conspiracy like 9/11 truthism or that antivaccer stuff, but the moon landings were definitely faked. A business owner can't refuse to serve someone for their race or religion, but refusing to serve someone who is gay is a business owner's right. Everything that exists must have a cause, except God.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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