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[Rhizomorph13]

The believers have no scientific evidence and the burden of proof is on them. So I don't have to disprove it. I do it because it makes me feel superior to them, which I am.

Ahh, but you are doing more than just rejecting their book, you said, "as we know, can't be relied on for assumptions." regarding the bible which is a positive claim. That means you shoulder the burden of proof.

[Emporion]

The believers have no scientific evidence and the burden of proof is on them. So I don't have to disprove it. I do it because it makes me feel superior to them, which I am.

Ahh, but you are doing more than just rejecting their book, you said, "as we know, can't be relied on for assumptions." regarding the bible which is a positive claim. That means you shoulder the burden of proof.

Dangling modifier, please clarify.

[corndog36]

"Jesus recognized the Old Testament as fact, and thousands of prophecies show that it was inspired by a being who knew the future. Also, the Bible is the most well-made and perfect book written over several centuries. Such perfection could not have been made by man."

That came out of the bible, as we know, can't be relied on for assumptions. So how does that disprove my first sentence?

It doesn't. I might be mistaken, but it seems to me that Rwandrall is playing devil's advocate here and asking you to argue his specific statements. Sounds like a fun exercise to me. Let's see if I can do it:

-Jesus is not real or at least is not God.

Nope. There are many good arguments against Jesus divinity, but proof? No, I have none to offer.

-The prophecies are bullshit.

If you are talking about the messianic prophecies, Jesus did not fulfill them. The messiah was supposed to unite the tribes of Israel, take up the sword and throw off the oppressors of the Jews. Jesus did none of those things.

-The Bible is not at all perfect.

The bible is not at all perfect, it contradicts itself continually. For example: God is love, love is never jealous, I am a jealous God.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

G'day Emporium.

My approach is is perhaps a bit too simple for you,as you seem to enjoy confronting stuffwits.

I assert only "I do not believe in god(s),the soul,angels, demons,the paranormal, dragons, mountain trolls, alien visitations or fairies at the bottom of my garden due to lack of evidence". I make no claims and so have no burden of roof. I need prove/disprove/ falsify exactly nothing.

I do not argue with apologists.Beliefs formed and maintained without the use of reason or evidence will rarely be demolished using those tools. PLUS, I really, truly do not give a rat's rectum about the personal superstitions of others,as long as they leave me alone.Knock at my door,they get long enough for me to identify them. (15-30 seconds) I then politely close the door. In the street or socially. I walk away. If they persist, I may say some aggressive and unkind things.

My overall position: You believe in any or all of the things I mentioned above? How wonderful for you! You'd like me to share your beliefs? No prob. Simply show the evidence in support of your claims. (No,NOT your sacred books).If you are unable to do so,please stop wasting my time and bugger off.

It's wicked to mock the afflicted (Frankie Howerd)

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So far,nobody in recorded history has been able to prove or falsify the existence of god(s)

When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on the person asserting a claim.[1] This burden does not necessarily require a mathematical or strictly logical proof, although many strong arguments do rise to this level (such as in logical syllogisms). Rather, the evidential standard required for a given claim is determined by convention or community standards, with regard to the context of the claim in question.[2][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic...n_of_proof

[Rwandrall]

It doesn't. I might be mistaken, but it seems to me that Rwandrall is playing devil's advocate here and asking you to argue his specific statements. Sounds like a fun exercise to me. Let's see if I can do it:

-Jesus is not real or at least is not God.

Nope. There are many good arguments against Jesus divinity, but proof? No, I have none to offer.

-The prophecies are bullshit.

If you are talking about the messianic prophecies, Jesus did not fulfill them. The messiah was supposed to unite the tribes of Israel, take up the sword and throw off the oppressors of the Jews. Jesus did none of those things.

-The Bible is not at all perfect.

The bible is not at all perfect, it contradicts itself continually. For example: God is love, love is never jealous, I am a jealous God.

Yep that was what i was aiming for, thanks for getting it, many don't

The problem with prophecies is that all the three abrahamic religions are crazy about it. A third of the Bible is only prophecies. And of course you can make them fit whatever you want them to fit. I have spent hours trying to make theists see the bullshit of these prophecies but it is amazingly hard.

For the perfection of the Bible, i do have to say it is quite a weak argument, but i'm always surprised at how many theists actually use it, mostly because "perfection" is an amazingly subjective notion.

"So if my Superman comic had real characters in it then that means that the rest of the comic is to be believed?"

If it was written by those real characters, and those people defended their loyalty to Superman to the grave, then this comic has a higher chance of being true than other comics.

[ozgoat]

I assert only "I do not believe in god(s),the soul,angels, demons,the paranormal, dragons, mountain trolls, alien visitations or fairies at the bottom of my garden due to lack of evidence". I make no claims and so have no burden of roof. I need prove/disprove/ falsify exactly nothing.

I do not argue with apologists.Beliefs formed and maintained without the use of reason or evidence will rarely be demolished using those tools. PLUS, I really, truly do not give a rat's rectum about the personal superstitions of others,as long as they leave me alone.

My overall position: You believe in any or all of the things I mentioned above? How wonderful for you! You'd like me to share your beliefs? No prob. Simply show the evidence in support of your claims. (No,NOT your sacred books).If you are unable to do so,please stop wasting my time and bugger off.

Agree entirely! If there WAS any evidence then it would be, um, evident, would it not? Simple!

[Emporion]

Yep that was what i was aiming for, thanks for getting it, many don't

Why did you make it hard to figure out?

[Rwandrall]

1. My religious views say "atheist". I'm pretty sure that's a good indication that i don't believe the Bible is perfect or that Jesus is God
2. I put my answer in quotation marks, showing that it was not really me speaking.
3. Right after that, like 2 lines later, i explained how to counter exectly what i just wrote
4. You asked me how a theist would answer your argument. So i answered exactly what you asked me to answer, how could you get confused by that ?

I mean it really was not that hard to figure out.

[Emporion]

1. My religious views say "atheist". I'm pretty sure that's a good indication that i don't believe the Bible is perfect or that Jesus is God
2. I put my answer in quotation marks, showing that it was not really me speaking.
3. Right after that, like 2 lines later, i explained how to counter exectly what i just wrote
4. You asked me how a theist would answer your argument. So i answered exactly what you asked me to answer, how could you get confused by that ?

I mean it really was not that hard to figure out.

Got me there, Pretty subtle clues for someone who often suffers from tunnel vision often in my opinion, but I can't blame you for my fucked up genes. Doesn't that prove that the theist gets trapped, and the first sentence still stands?