A question about the flood myth, baraminology, and Pangaea

[robvalue]

Drich Wrote: Rather how God used the faith of a singular man and his family as a reason for God himself to save creation, by only killing the wicked.

Your 'god' seems to be a singularly inept fuckhead if that is his best solution to the problem, dripshit.  Why would you worship such a clown?  Perhaps it is because you resemble him?

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Yes, those "d-bags" who call themselves geologists.  Or are only geologists who study floods "d-bags?" That's childish even for you.

Profession does not make on a d-bag. It is how one behaves in said profession that make one a d-bag. Or are you saying out of all the different professions in the world 'geology' is the one profession that keeps narrow minded people from getting jobs? Does it prevent small box thinkers from speak out and making it look like the whole profession supports only one world view?

What the bible describes is a saturation flood not a flash flood. your d-bags are describing the after effects of flash flooding pretending no other flooding would be possible.

http://hillsborough.ifas.ufl.edu/prohort...ration.pdf

I'm mostly just enjoying watching this, since I'm really busy, of late.

However, I had to jump in here... when I worked at the KDHE, the Environment department (mine) shared a floor with the Geology department. Literally every geologist working there whom I met was a Christian, complete with office bibles, pins on lapels, and the various desktop debris that lets them announce their faith to the world. They were among the most religious bunches I met in a science field. All of them knew as much about evolution as I do; in fact, geologists had the timeline and nature of evolutionary history figured out before biologists did.

As for the "flash flood", do a little math, Drich. We'll say that only Mt. Ararat was covered, as a lowball figure, since the story doesn't mention Everest. Mount Ararat is 16,854 feet tall. It rained, according to the story, for 40 days and 40 nights. That's 40 x 24 = 960 hours of rain.

In order for the floodwaters to have covered the mountain in that time, it would have had to rain 17.55 inches of rain per hour that entire time. No flash flood? The heaviest sustained rainfall on record is Tropical Cyclone Denise, at 71" in a 24-hour period, or 2.95 inches per hour, back in 1966.

Even if you say that half the waters were from "the deep", you're still talking 8.775 inches per hour, nonstop, for almost a month and a half, day and night.

No flash flood? Really?

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_we...cords#Rain

[Drich]

That's good.. You determine truth by how you personally judge the person providing the narrative.

Let me ask, are you allowed to vote?

Nice try, but no, that's not how I determine truth.  Read it again.

My objection was to your bible-based Christianity, because you are an asshole. 

Even if I believed in bible-based Christianity, I wouldn't believe in yours, because you're an asshole.

Now go on arguing the factuality of your bible stories.

I got it the first time, Even if I represented the absolute truth... You would not/could not believe what I had to say, because I am an "ass hole". In short you out of spite would not/could not believe what I had to say not based on content, but because of what you think of me personally...

So again by that declaration you determine 'truth' by judging the person delivering the narrative, rather than by content.

I can't believe anyone alive would ever admit to being so easily manipulated. In otherwords you and people like you can be taught what to think by the way of a carrot and stick. Give the facts you want people to run from to the guy with the stick/asshole attitude No matter what it is and like sheep you will run from it..
and likewise give the the facts of the message/propaganda to the guy with the carrot/good attitude and lemmings people like you will flock to them, no matter how far off base that information is.

Wow, I am just the oppsite. I don't care if a douche bag or someone I like is providing a message I take the message, vet it myself and make a judgement on content alone. For me the messenger is just the envelope the message comes in. One has nothing to do with the other, EVER.

[Drich]

Yeah, you're banned for life from my lunch table, Drichy. And don't take that as some kind of victory. You're just a twat.

Oh noooessss, what will I do?!?!?

[Drich]

Another problem with the flood that I don't see brought up much-- why did all the animals need to die?  I've heard someone say that the animals were being bad too.  But if that's the case, then why did Noah save two of each?  Were there still two good animals of every surviving species after the Ark story?  JUST two?  and there happened to be seven of every clean animal that were also 'good'.  No more, no less.  Two of each kind.  Exactly two.  

Yahweh chose to save Noah and his family because Noah was a good person.  Were all the animals being bad too?  With God being all powerful, surely there were less messy ways of wiping out all of humanity.

Were there no good children?  No good babies?  How about unborn children?  Surely at least a few people who died during the flood would have been pregnant.

It stretches the imagination to believe the story to be anything more than myth.

Two each of the unclean animals and seven pairs of the clean animals.

The 'flood' in the story of the ark is unique. Meaning the very words used to describe the flood in hebrew are unique to the genesis account of the world wide flood. While ever person ever studied the hebrew text will tell you the words used to describe the flood and waters in hebrew will mean literal water and a literal water deluge/flood the words used as not the direct translations for those hebrew words. they are words used to describe the properties of water and the properties of the deluge. While I still personally describe to world wide literal flood, this does indeed leave the door open to other interpretations. for instance in the Halo Universe the flood is a disease that can rush in and wipe out sentient life. Point I am making is my faith is not contingent on what my current understanding of a flood it and is not.

who would raise all those children? noah? Remember the life supporting infrastructure had also just been wipped out, how would all those children live?

Only to a narrow mind.

[Old Baby]

Nice try, but no, that's not how I determine truth.  Read it again.

My objection was to your bible-based Christianity, because you are an asshole. 

Even if I believed in bible-based Christianity, I wouldn't believe in yours, because you're an asshole.

Now go on arguing the factuality of your bible stories.

I got it the first time, Even if I represented the absolute truth... You would not/could not believe what I had to say, because I am an "ass hole". In short you out of spite would not/could not believe what I had to say not based on content, but because of what you think of me personally...

So again by that declaration you determine 'truth' by judging the person delivering the narrative, rather than by content.

I can't believe anyone alive would ever admit to being so easily manipulated. In otherwords you and people like you can be taught what to think by the way of a carrot and stick. Give the facts you want people to run from to the guy with the stick/asshole attitude No matter what it is and like sheep you will run from it..
and likewise give the the facts of the message/propaganda to the guy with the carrot/good attitude and lemmings people like you will flock to them, no matter how far off base that information is.

Wow, I am just the oppsite. I don't care if a douche bag or someone I like is providing a message I take the message, vet it myself and make a judgement on content alone. For me the messenger is just the envelope the message comes in. One has nothing to do with the other, EVER.

No, you're either being deliberately obtuse or you still don't get it.

[Drich]

Ever had a garden infested with Japanese knotweed, or something similar, which you want to eradicate? Would it make sense to collect samples of every plant and organism in the garden, then sterilise the whole ground before replanting everything - including the knotweed? That's how much sense the flood story makes.

Think salmonella. Let say you spill raw chicken juice in an open silverware drawer, and you get it on everything except the silverware that's in the dishwasher. Do you:

a)put the clean silver from the dishwasher into the drawer with the contaminated stuff hoping that the raw chicken juice won't make everyone sick.

b) throw absolutely everything out and buy everything new?

c)sterilize (wash with water and soap) everything in the drawer being careful not to contaiminate the clean silver you still have?

Or if you need to go back to your garden, you select a herbicide that targets the specific weed, or if it is really bad you get a general purpose herbicide that will kill everything except your select foliage. which again is similar to what God had done.

Truthfully we will never fully understand the evil this world was full of in this life. Humanity was not the only thing God was trying to get rid of. their was a stain brought on by sin that touched just about everything alive in one way or another. It all had to be sterilized.

[Drich]

Profession does not make on a d-bag. It is how one behaves in said profession that make one a d-bag. Or are you saying out of all the different professions in the world 'geology' is the one profession that keeps narrow minded people from getting jobs? Does it prevent small box thinkers from speak out and making it look like the whole profession supports only one world view?

What the bible describes is a saturation flood not a flash flood. your d-bags are describing the after effects of flash flooding pretending no other flooding would be possible.

http://hillsborough.ifas.ufl.edu/prohort...ration.pdf

I'm mostly just enjoying watching this, since I'm really busy, of late.

However, I had to jump in here... when I worked at the KDHE, the Environment department (mine) shared a floor with the Geology department. Literally every geologist working there whom I met was a Christian, complete with office bibles, pins on lapels, and the various desktop debris that lets them announce their faith to the world. They were among the most religious bunches I met in a science field. All of them knew as much about evolution as I do; in fact, geologists had the timeline and nature of evolutionary history figured out before biologists did.

As for the "flash flood", do a little math, Drich. We'll say that only Mt. Ararat was covered, as a lowball figure, since the story doesn't mention Everest. Mount Ararat is 16,854 feet tall. It rained, according to the story, for 40 days and 40 nights. That's 40 x 24 = 960 hours of rain.

In order for the floodwaters to have covered the mountain in that time, it would have had to rain 17.55 inches of rain per hour that entire time. No flash flood? The heaviest sustained rainfall on record is Tropical Cyclone Denise, at 71" in a 24-hour period, or 2.95 inches per hour, back in 1966.

Even if you say that half the waters were from "the deep", you're still talking 8.775 inches per hour, nonstop, for almost a month and a half, day and night.

No flash flood? Really?

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_we...cords#Rain

holy smokes dude your like the 10th person...

let me escort you though the bible since you personally can't be bothered to read it.

It wasn't just rain. Springs "burst fourth" Genesis 7. So how do springs work? do springs start at high elevations and wash down? No not unless it is from a glacier or snow melt. springs start in low lands, now imagine the whole planet erupting into various springs. What does that do to your rain fall requirements? what does that do to your theory of flash floods? Try to imagine what would happen if just every single lake or pond/inland body of water on the planet, boiled over at the same time at the same rate.. the term you need is Saturation Flooding. Not only that, the bible says it rained for 40 days and nights, it says nothing about how long the springs ran for.

Saturation flooding does not move sediment. It just water logs and kills everything.
http://hillsborough.ifas.ufl.edu/prohort...ration.pdf

In localized examples of saturation flooding nothing gets displaced, even in long standing examples we don't have sediment or debris moved around. we get swamps and marshes. think everglades, La. byou but mountain height and on a world wide scale.

Again we have examples of flooding where nothing is moved in both of those areas I mentioned so it is possible, if you don't buy into the idea of a tsumumi type of flash flood.

[Drich]

I got it the first time, Even if I represented the absolute truth... You would not/could not believe what I had to say, because I am an "ass hole". In short you out of spite would not/could not believe what I had to say not based on content, but because of what you think of me personally...

So again by that declaration you determine 'truth' by judging the person delivering the narrative, rather than by content.

I can't believe anyone alive would ever admit to being so easily manipulated. In otherwords you and people like you can be taught what to think by the way of a carrot and stick. Give the facts you want people to run from to the guy with the stick/asshole attitude No matter what it is and like sheep you will run from it..
and likewise give the the facts of the message/propaganda to the guy with the carrot/good attitude and lemmings people like you will flock to them, no matter how far off base that information is.

Wow, I am just the oppsite. I don't care if a douche bag or someone I like is providing a message I take the message, vet it myself and make a judgement on content alone. For me the messenger is just the envelope the message comes in. One has nothing to do with the other, EVER.

No, you're either being deliberately obtuse or you still don't get it.

What is their to get these are your words sport:

Even if I believed in bible-based Christianity, I wouldn't believe in yours, because you're an asshole.

Even if you accepted the truth of bible based Christianity, you would not accept anything I had to say about it. Again sport your words.

If you believe "X" is true and I teach "X" you would not believe "X" because I taught it. No other reason has been listed here other than you personally do not like me for your objection of "X".

If this is the case than everything I said in the above quote is valid.

I think you don't quite understand the depth in which you have committed yourself to in your statement, and when I spell everything out you yourself said... Well, it's like you said. You don't care if it is true or not, you will not believe what I have to say simply because i said it. despite whether or not it is true.

[Minimalist]

Yeah, you're banned for life from my lunch table, Drichy. And don't take that as some kind of victory. You're just a twat.

Oh noooessss, what will I do?!?!?

You will continue being a twat.  You can't help it.