Why shouldn't I vote Trump?

[Seraphina]

You've obviously put some thought into this and that's a good thing, no matter who you're voting for.
I'm pissed that Bernie didn't get the nomination - it's almost like it was a pre-determined outcome. I voted for him in my state's primary last Tuesday even though it was reported a day or two before that Mrs. Clinton had the nomination sewn up.

The problem with Trump is that how do you know when he's telling the truth. His campaign website today says he will move to repeal the Affordable Care Act - also known as Obamacare - and replace it with a healthcare system that follows "free market principles". So which is it - single payer healthcare or free market healthcare? Which one does he want and how do you know he's being truthful with his answer? Also, before Obamacare, we had essentially free market healthcare. That didn't work out so well. I like that insurance companies now can't deny policy holders health care or boot off policy holders for pre-existing conditions and I like that health checkups and preventive care must be fully covered by my policy.
Also, how does anyone know how much Donald Trump is worth? He refuses to release his tax returns - why? He said he can't release them because he's being audited but that's false - he can release tax returns that are currently under audit. If he's worth so much money, why is he hiding this info? Probably because he's not worth that much or he doesn't pay any taxes.
There was a front page story on the NY Times yesterday (I'm still new here and I don't think I can post links yet). It details his business dealings through the 80s, 90s and 00s - and it shows him to be just another shady businessman who buys businesses, plunders them for all the money he can squeeze out and then sells at a loss, leaving shareholders and everyday workers in the lurch.

I'm voting for Mrs. Clinton because she wants to overturn Citizens United, she wants to make the wealthy fat cats pay their fair share in taxes,  she wants immigration reform, she'll protect organizations like Planned Parenthood from attack and she'll be a line of defense against the religious nutters who want to ban birth control and abortion, she agrees climate change is an urgent threat, and the gun lobby fears her - which is a good thing.

The good news is there are still a few months left until the election to decide but make sure you are fact-checking the sources you are using to make a decision.

Yeah, it annoyed the fuck out of me how the media reported a Clinton win a day or so before the voting even took place.

I like at the things that Trump said before his campaign started. It's obvious that the rhetoric in his campaign is mostly just an appeal to the rednecks. That's why I've looked at his political views from the past. When he talks about free market principals, he's talking about allowing them to compete over state lines, which in Republican land will make the insurance companies magically lower their prices and cover everything. I don't agree with it, and I'm not so certain that Trump does either. The ACA does some good, but unless you're in poverty the ACA increases the rates of your insurance by quite a bit.

I've seen estimates of Trump's worth, and it goes from 1/4 billion dollars to 10 billion dollars. Either way, he has a lot of money. My guess is he stashes his cash in offshore accounts, like every other businessman.

Most businessmen are unethical in some way when it comes to running their business, especially ones worth that much. 

Yeah, Citizens United is an issue, Trump said he wanted the rich to pay more in taxes, I don't think Trump will be able to stop abortions even if he tries, the environment is an issue sure but a long term one, and Hillary wants to punish businesses that sell guns if their product is misused. Do we punish Ford if someone uses a car to run someone over? No. So I don't agree with that.

Yeah, I don't agree with punishing businesses that sell guns if their product is misused. Mrs. Clinton doesn't go far enough on that. Guns should be confiscated from people who misuse them just like we do with people and their driver's licenses when they misuse their cars.

Also, I agree totally that guns should be treated like a product similar to cars. Gun owners should be made to get insurance, take a government test before they can use a gun, their gun should pass a government inspection before they can use it and gun owners should be made to register their guns yearly with the government. Just like cars. 

[Mechaghostman2]

Yeah, it annoyed the fuck out of me how the media reported a Clinton win a day or so before the voting even took place.

I like at the things that Trump said before his campaign started. It's obvious that the rhetoric in his campaign is mostly just an appeal to the rednecks. That's why I've looked at his political views from the past. When he talks about free market principals, he's talking about allowing them to compete over state lines, which in Republican land will make the insurance companies magically lower their prices and cover everything. I don't agree with it, and I'm not so certain that Trump does either. The ACA does some good, but unless you're in poverty the ACA increases the rates of your insurance by quite a bit.

I've seen estimates of Trump's worth, and it goes from 1/4 billion dollars to 10 billion dollars. Either way, he has a lot of money. My guess is he stashes his cash in offshore accounts, like every other businessman.

Most businessmen are unethical in some way when it comes to running their business, especially ones worth that much. 

Yeah, Citizens United is an issue, Trump said he wanted the rich to pay more in taxes, I don't think Trump will be able to stop abortions even if he tries, the environment is an issue sure but a long term one, and Hillary wants to punish businesses that sell guns if their product is misused. Do we punish Ford if someone uses a car to run someone over? No. So I don't agree with that.

Yeah, I don't agree with punishing businesses that sell guns if their product is misused. Mrs. Clinton doesn't go far enough on that. Guns should be confiscated from people who misuse them just like we do with people and their driver's licenses when they misuse their cars.

Also, I agree totally that guns should be treated like a product similar to cars. Gun owners should be made to get insurance, take a government test before they can use a gun, their gun should pass a government inspection before they can use it and gun owners should be made to register their guns yearly with the government. Just like cars. 

Yeah we should treat guns like cars. But nobody in their right mind would punish a car company if someone used a car to intentionally run someone over. They'd just put the person in jail and revoke their license.

[Edwardo Piet]

You shouldn't vote Trump because he fucking sucks.

[Seraphina]

You vote for whomever you want to, that's the beauty of election day and you can keep your vote 100% secret at the ballot box. But do your homework first.

(PS - Trump won't help you or any other US citizens, Trump will only help Trump.)

[Whateverist]

He's a fucking racist moron and one of those billionaire's that Sanders was talking about.

I guess you'll have to decide.

Islam is a religion, and Mexico is a nationality. Neither of these things are races, therefore, by definition, he isn't a racist.

I'm pretty sure he feels the same about any latin american working his way up through Mexico to come to the US as he does about Mexicans.  

Do you seriously need something about Trump pointed out in order to know that is a bad choice.  I think you pay more attention that.

[Rev. Rye]

Here's an article with an exceptionally large number of reasons to not vote for Trump.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Trump

And then there's this little incident with the Central Park Five the RW article neglects to mention. And he hasn't changed since then.

I don't like Hillary Clinton any more than you do, but if it's a choice between her and the monstrosity that is Trump, I'll have to hold my nose for Hilary. At least as long as you can trust The Donald isn't just saying stupid nonsense just for the sake of it and still secretly holds with the relatively liberal views he had before Obama.

And if you want to see why not being buyable isn't necessarily a good thing, see this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaApufNn8Xg

[Edwardo Piet]

Rational Wiki is fucking awesome

[Mechaghostman2]

Oh god, Rationalwiki is the worst website I've ever come across. It's on the level of a blog, and anyone can edit it. In fact, I've edited a few articles myself on there. No thank you. Looking at some of the articles it has, it's basically the SJW version of Wikipedia.

[SteelCurtain]

A few conservative SCOTUS people for a while. So that'll mean more guns, slightly more religion in the public square IF he nominates a conservative judge, and a few more bills that can discriminate against gay people. Yeah, a few not so favorable things, but nothing that really effects me all that much, even with me being bi. 

Warmonger? How many people has he ordered to war compared to Hillary?

With a statement like that completely devoid of humanism and thought for your fellow man, you should vote for Trump.

You are exactly the type of person he is targeting, and it has clearly worked. Have at it.

[The Grand Nudger]

-Guns should be confiscated from people who misuse them just like we do with people and their driver's licenses when they misuse their cars.

That would be exactly what would happen, in accordance with our laws. You don't have to misuse a gun, either. A misdemeanor violation of any number of state laws will lead to confiscation and felony charges if you are later found to be in possession of a firearm.

Yeah we should treat guns like cars. But nobody in their right mind would punish a car company if someone used a car to intentionally run someone over. They'd just put the person in jail and revoke their license.

In that respect, that is how they're treated...only we suspend their constitutional right..which is a bit more serious than revoking a driver's license. 

Part of the reason I don't vote.  I suppose it's politically convenient to set a portion of the voters off chasing their tails trying to get laws written that already exist...or even in being disappointed that they haven't been set off chasing their tails by the same candidate to the same end.  Hillary's guns are Trump's wall. It's such blatant, career-minded pandering to their respective mobs that I can't stomach the thought of my name on a vote for either.