Howdy

[downbeatplumb]

Okay, so your beliefs are instrumentally rational. All good.

What do you mean by "we are all essentially one"?

And does that mean all sex is masturbation?

[Violet]

I thought it was more like an agnostic deist, but whatever. Welcome

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Okay, so your beliefs are instrumentally rational. All good.

What do you mean by "we are all essentially one"?

And does that mean all sex is masturbation?

Only if all sex one does is with themselves.

[downbeatplumb]

Only if all sex one does is with themselves.

If 'we are all one' then it is.

[Violet]

Oh gods...

[theVOID]

Didn't Dreamer already explain that VOID - we're all part of one consciousness/ interconnection of all things/ we're all God

It was implied but not stated.

I disagree that we're all one consciousness, that would mean there is no objective reality as everything would be subjective. We're only interconnected in the sense that our constituents are from the same source.

[Minimalist]

Hi, Dreamer.

WTH is going on over there?

[Dreamer]

Interconnected in what way? And if you believe this then aren't you in fact making a judgement about the nature of reality?

Also, perhaps you should find a different word to use other than God?
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I suppose I am. I use the term God for it because it has a sense of... sacredness to it, something to be revered. It is also why I typically don't bring it up at all and just say I'm an atheist.

I mean interconnected in that we are all essentially the same. We have different interpretations and experiences, but there is a common thread woven throughout. We believe we are so very different with our senses of self and egos--but much of that is all just illusion, layers thrown upon reality. Some people call it the "collective unconscious" but that has many varying meanings.

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Didn't Dreamer already explain that VOID - we're all part of one consciousness/ interconnection of all things/ we're all God

It was implied but not stated.

I disagree that we're all one consciousness, that would mean there is no objective reality as everything would be subjective. We're only interconnected in the sense that our constituents are from the same source.

How would you determine subjective vs. objective reality?

I like this quote:

Loving people live in a loving world. Hostile people live in a hostile world.

Same world.

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Thanks, fr0d0.

Minimalist, I have no idea wtf is going on

As to the sex question.... I ain't touchin' that.

[Violet]

How would you determine subjective vs. objective reality?

Easily. Does it have a perspective?

If so, it is necessarily the perspective of the subject(s).

Objective is that without perspective, which if it exists (i believe it does) would never make sense in any sort of way. I cannot imagine how it looks, as that would require perspective.

[theVOID]

I suppose I am. I use the term God for it because it has a sense of... sacredness to it, something to be revered. It is also why I typically don't bring it up at all and just say I'm an atheist.

You don't think nature can be revered without imposing some unjustified metaphysical beliefs upon it?

I mean interconnected in that we are all essentially the same. We have different interpretations and experiences, but there is a common thread woven throughout. We believe we are so very different with our senses of self and egos--but much of that is all just illusion, layers thrown upon reality. Some people call it the "collective unconscious" but that has many varying meanings.

You mean "we are all essentially the same" as in the same consciousness?

And my sense of self is an illusion?

I have good reason to believe my mind is my own, and it's not your mind. What you propose is not just in the interim of scientific evidence, it is contrary to the available evidence.

How would you determine subjective vs. objective reality?

Subjective = Grounded in the experience of persons
Objective = Independent of experience

I like this quote:

Loving people live in a loving world. Hostile people live in a hostile world.

Same world.

It should be "Loving people and hostile people live in the same world, one that has no intrinsic love or hostility".

[Dreamer]

You choose which world you live in, though it is the same world without anything intrinsic to it. That's what the quote means.

I still don't see how reality can be independent of experience?

What metaphysical beliefs am I imposing upon nature?

As to being one, it is supported by what I have read. I don't have such things bookmarked anymore (new comp) and all my books are in storage, so I'll have to do some digging around to find you reputable sources at a later time.