Book of Contradictions: A Challenge

[fr0d0]

Actually, all five of the examples I gave were some of the weakest I could find. It's no fun if nobody responds. Even with this one however, I had arguments ready to go. One of which is the knowledge of doctrines, which you mentioned, but I'll let it go since I chose option 2 for Frodo.

Oh FFS you are making excuses already! You're so deluded you can't even take advice from fellow atheists. I've told you already how mindblowingly easy it is to defeat you. And you make the excuse that you found me the easiest ones? Please mate... do me a favour and grow a spine.

[Cinjin]

Actually, all five of the examples I gave were some of the weakest I could find. It's no fun if nobody responds. Even with this one however, I had arguments ready to go. One of which is the knowledge of doctrines, which you mentioned, but I'll let it go since I chose option 2 for Frodo.

Oh FFS you are making excuses already! You're so deluded you can't even take advice from fellow atheists. I've told you already how mindblowingly easy it is to defeat you. And you make the excuse that you found me the easiest ones? Please mate... do me a favour and grow a spine.

Once again I'm not an atheist
Secondly, I see no rebuttal so your contention that I am easily defeatable is baseless.
Thirdly, what does FFS mean?
Fourthly, I did not dismiss any of Padraic's remarks in his post. In fact I agreed with him
Lastly, superstition and barbaric practices will never defeat logic and reason.

[Hunted By A Freak]

A challenge was posed to me ...

I've issued the challenge before, never to be defeated (and I'm no bible scholar, but it's THAT easy I don't need to be)... please post one example of the bible being inconsistent or contradictory that cannot be explained to be nothing of the sort.

First of all Frodo, “never to be defeated” is very likely your own religious delusion, but more importantly, your challenge says that the ONE contradiction I choose can always be shown to be, quote, “nothing of the sort.” I take that to mean that you will not only prove that the contradictions are invalid but that you will also leave no doubt in our minds … being nothing of the sort and all.


ONLY 5 of the Hundreds of Bible Contradictions (quoted from both KJV and NIV)

1. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, [and] go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

Hi Cinjin,
The Hebrew word used here for "slay" is harag, which refers more to the act of killing.

Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill

The Hebrew word used for "kill" is ratsach, which refers more to the act of murder.

There's a significant difference in the meaning of these two words/passages. One passage refers to the act of killing in battle, while the other prohibits the shedding of innocent blood. This is no different than asking a Marine not to murder anyone, yet asking him to kill in battle, there is no contradiction.

Skeptics consistently refer to the KJV in demonstrating some of these points. The KJV doesn't always select the most appropriate word for conveying the meaning of a passage. I don't think I've ever seen an example were the KJV wasn't the primary source of reference, though I'm sure there are some.

Another reason for these apparent contradictions is the limited number of words/letters used in the Hebrew language. A significant part of translating Hebrew words is based on context, like the two passages used above. It's clear on context alone what is being stated and this again is easily demonstrated in are own modern day vernacular.

"I'm going to kill my daughters boyfriend if he doesn't bring her home before midnight!"

[Cinjin]

Hi Cinjin,
The Hebrew word used here for "slay" is harag, which refers more to the act of killing.

Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill

The Hebrew word used for "kill" is ratsach, which refers more to the act of murder.

There's a significant difference in the meaning of these two words/passages. One passage refers to the act of killing in battle, while the other prohibits the shedding of innocent blood. This is no different than asking a Marine not to murder anyone, yet asking him to kill in battle, there is no contradiction.

Skeptics consistently refer to the KJV in demonstrating some of these points. The KJV doesn't always select the most appropriate word for conveying the meaning of a passage. I don't think I've ever seen an example were the KJV wasn't the primary source of reference, though I'm sure there are some.

Another reason for these apparent contradictions is the limited number of words/letters used in the Hebrew language. A significant part of translating Hebrew words is based on context, like the two passages used above. It's clear on context alone what is being stated and this again is easily demonstrated in are own modern day vernacular.

"I'm going to kill my daughters boyfriend if he doesn't bring her home before midnight!"

thank you for pointing that out to me ....... again.

I'm trying not to get bogged down in the argument: "Is this a good argument for an argument"... It's a simple, well known "contradiction" of the nature of a loving god. I don't want to get into it more than that now. I've got other fish to frodo, err .... fry.

[Nimzo]

It's another exegesis-lite thread on scripture, folks!

[Zen Badger]

What about Jc's last words.....

Jesus' last words
MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

But wait, there's more.....

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source...QbBxhDTRhg

In fact, hundreds more.

[fr0d0]

Once again I'm not an atheist
Secondly, I see no rebuttal so your contention that I am easily defeatable is baseless.
Thirdly, what does FFS mean?
Fourthly, I did not dismiss any of Padraic's remarks in his post. In fact I agreed with him
Lastly, superstition and barbaric practices will never defeat logic and reason.

lol @ this thread

1. Fellow disbelievers in the Xtain God then
2. It wasn't aimed at you but me never observing a successful challenge
3. look it up
4. There are other commenters besides Pad
5. Absolutely. I count you as observing the former 2

[Cinjin]

Once again I'm not an atheist
Secondly, I see no rebuttal so your contention that I am easily defeatable is baseless.
Thirdly, what does FFS mean?
Fourthly, I did not dismiss any of Padraic's remarks in his post. In fact I agreed with him
Lastly, superstition and barbaric practices will never defeat logic and reason.

lol @ this thread

2. It wasn't aimed at you but me never observing a successful challenge

So you're not going to defend any contradiction????

That's fine. It wasn't my challenge - it was yours - posed to me.
If you want to claim that it's my fault for not going through with it - that's your business, but anyone who reads the entire thread will see that I offered several options to you and than only chose one when you demanded that I choose.

The contradictions I chose were weak at best - several people pointed that out and yet still, your only response was to their replys. You have succeeded at nothing. You have said nothing. You have proven nothing. If you will not engage the topic, I cannot offer an argument.

How that constitutes defeating me in your own mind - none of us can ever know.

[Minimalist]

It's another exegesis-lite thread on scripture, folks!

Exegesis being a Greek word which means "trying to make bullshit smell better."

[Cinjin]

What about Jc's last words.....

Jesus' last words
MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

But wait, there's more.....

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source...QbBxhDTRhg

In fact, hundreds more.

I knew they would never touch one like that - so I picked a handful of ones I thought they might. However, the "brothers in christ" cant seem to refocus on Frodo's challenge and would apparently rather make an argument that I don't know enough contradictions .... or some stupid rabbit trail that makes no fuckin sense at all.