Book of Contradictions: A Challenge

[tackattack]

Then to that point we agree, you're just going further than I. That's what I'm saying God did on the seventh day, stepped, back and took a look. I think you're just going a step further and saying he then sat on his throne and started coordinating (for lack of a better phrase). My only comments other that that were about how we celebrate that Sabbath, not what God does/did.

[fr0d0]

The Jews 'stepped back' when they reached the promised land.. sure (same context). You can see how it lacks accuracy as an explanation of God's activity after the first six days... ie now, where he manages everything.

I think that's what we're meant to do on the sabbath too, and this is what was originally intended.

[Doubting Thomas]

in the older manuscripts of Greek and Hebrew Adino the Eznite could be a different person from Jashobeam, also there's no real agreement on a Hacmonite and a Tachmonite being considered the same people.

But this was David's chief of his captains. His number 1 military guy. To say that the two passages (referring to the same guy) could be talking about two different guys just compounds the contradiction.

[Cinjin]

[Minimalist]

The only explanation is that the Gospel writers were inspired. One God, One Mind, One Author.

Bullshit.

They were written by different authors, directed at different audiences and conveying different interpretations of mythology.

Cowdung.

They were written by different authors, directed at different audiences and conveying different interpretations of Christology. Ah damn were so close to agreeing on all points, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

Xtianity = mythology. So see. We agree after all.

[Ryft]

2. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed

God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28 28 Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.

This supposed contradiction does not come from the text but rather from outside of it, made nowhere more obvious than how each passage is introduced. (1) The first passage is introduced by saying that God is tired and rests, pointing to Exodus 31:17 for support. However, in that passage we find that God rested but nowhere in it do we find that it was because he was tired. That part is imposed on the text which itself says nothing of the sort. (2) The second passage is introduced by saying that God is never tired and never rests, pointing to Isa. 40:28 for support. But in that passage we see that God never tires but nowhere can we find it saying he never rests. That is likewise imposed on the text which does not itself say anything of the sort. To make these passages contradict one another, foreign concepts have to be forced upon them from without; that is, one has to force them to say something they do not actually say before a contradiction manifests. Thus the contradiction exists in the manufactured interpretation, and not in the text itself.

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Yeah, and I'm still disagreeing, Tack. What I think is actually being said, trying to get the original meaning rather than understanding the translation, is that this is like a manager starting a company and then sitting at the helm running it when it's up and running. That's what sabbath is, too. Never a day off, a day to do nothing. More a day to run the show rather than build it. You build the computer, set it up, then get on with the task of using it for what it was intended. ... In Genesis this is the culmination of God setting up his temple and then taking his place at the controls. Otherwise we have a deist scenario where God makes everything and then leaves it alone, which is theologically problematic.

You have been reading Walton, haven't you?

[fr0d0]

I have indeed my liege

[FallentoReason]

A quiz show clearing up contradictions.





P.s. I may have contradicted myself :/

[radorth]

A challenge was posed to me ...

I've issued the challenge before, never to be defeated (and I'm no bible scholar, but it's THAT easy I don't need to be)... please post one example of the bible being inconsistent or contradictory that cannot be explained to be nothing of the sort.

First of all Frodo, “never to be defeated” is very likely your own religious delusion, but more importantly, your challenge says that the ONE contradiction I choose can always be shown to be, quote, “nothing of the sort.” I take that to mean that you will not only prove that the contradictions are invalid but that you will also leave no doubt in our minds … being nothing of the sort and all.


ONLY 5 of the Hundreds of Bible Contradictions (quoted from both KJV and NIV)

1. Killing commanded
Ex 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, [and] go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Killing forbidden
Ex 20:13 Thou shalt not kill

2. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28 28 Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom.

3. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? Is 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
God is not the author of evil
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

4. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

5. Robbery commanded
Ex 3:21,22Every woman is to ask her neighbor and any woman living in her house for articles of silver and gold and for clothing, which you will put on your sons and daughters. And so you will plunder the Egyptians.” Also Ex 12:35,36
Robbery forbidden
Lev 19:13 Do not defraud or rob your neighbor Ex 20:15 Thou Shalt not Steal.


(Get ready to hear the word CONTEXT a lot. The #1 most often used defense of flagrant biblical contradictions.)

Um, who did Job think sent his diseases?

Half of old Testament "contradictions" were just explained, without reference to context.

However the context makes a huge diiference, which is why Obama, Biden and several Congress members quoted a verse in Isaiah 9 which was meant to say exactly the opposite of what they thought.

The Egyptians were neighbors? And here i htought they were enemies of Israel. You learn something every day around here.

But then one thing we can all agree on- you always find exactly what you are looking for in the Bible. It's written to ensure that outcome.

[Minimalist]

The Egyptians were neighbors? And here i htought they were enemies of Israel.

Only in your fucking bible....one of the primary anachronisms which shows that it is mainly bullshit.

Egypt dominated Canaan for 4 centuries before there were any "israelites."

In the first millenium Egypt was under constant attack from various sides and only rarely managed to assert itself on the international stage.

You should learn some history instead of reading that bible shit. It might help you.