The "Cultural Context" Excuse

[Huggy Bear]

I see, and so this ancestral un-hybridized form would be what?  Plenty of options to choose from.  Heilderburgensis, Floresiensis, Neanderthalis, Rudolfensis, Habilis, Erectus? 

It would be the form that God originally made Adam, which was a theophany. 

Since it's a heritable trait...perhaps you could suggest that locus of hybridization or mutation that permitted death and maybe explain why all of those others above appear to have died as well?  Maybe., also, explain why the babble talks nonsense about god cursing us when it was, as you say, an issue of hybridization instead?

Adam and Eve died, because God said that they would die, simple as that.

Also the curses God put on Adam and Eve weren't about death.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. - Genesis 3:16

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. - Genesis 3:17-19

What's all this business about jesus, how is jesus supposed to have altered our genetics..our heritable traits...and why is this not present -in- our genetics? Is "going into the ground" code for impregnating a clutch of hybridized demi-dragons with repatriating man-seed?

No "going into the ground" is referring to the more obvious death and burial.

If this jesus business somehow turns you into a "child of god" why are you still identifiable as the same species or sub species as myself, a child of the serpent?  Why has nothing changed, why is jesus magic ineffective at reversing the hybridization?  If that hybridization need not be reversed, then why did we need jesus magic in the first place?

*emphasis mine*

1 Corinthians 15

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

[The Grand Nudger]

I see, and so this ancestral un-hybridized form would be what?  Plenty of options to choose from.  Heilderburgensis, Floresiensis, Neanderthalis, Rudolfensis, Habilis, Erectus? 

It would be the form that God originally made Adam, which was a theophany. 

Right, and which form would that be...that -is- what I asked.  

Adam and Eve died, because God said that they would die, simple as that.

So they weren't hybridized but died anyway?

Also the curses God put on Adam and Eve weren't about death.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. - Genesis 3:16

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. - Genesis 3:17-19

That's some next level douche shit.  "Imma kill ya...but before I do, I'll make you suffer".  So...none of that had to do with hybridization, then..that was just all added misery?

No "going into the ground" is referring to the more obvious death and burial.

I had to ask...since the obvious reading isn;t always the one you prefer.  So..then, how would jesus death do something to effect our heritable, hybridized traits?  

*emphasis mine*

1 Corinthians 15

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

So the hybridization was inconsequential, then...and Jesus magic -didn't- do anything to change it.  Some miracle in the future will change it..somehow?   Okay.  How?  How is raising us incorruptible (are we going with the obvious reading here) supposed to change the fact that we're demi-dragons who die?  We'll be resurrected as a different species/sub species with different DNA? I;m not sure how bible verses are going to address my questions or comport with your previous remarks. Corinthians isn't a treatise on genetics, is it? Nor, as a point of fact, does corinthians even remotely address any question I asked you. Did you interpret my questions as an invitation to ireelevantly quote scripture. Why? Why not just cointinue the discussion we were having, about the things you claimed to be true...that you've been arguing for for 30 pages or so.

Is there a problem?

[Whateverist]

I've only got one question......where are all these human-dragon hybrids today?

Ouldshay Iway entionmay ethay ossilfay ecordray?

[The Grand Nudger]

I doubt it would be all that useful.  It's looking like dragon sex and subsequent hybridization are both irrelevant, and not at all about hybridization.

[The Grand Nudger]

More fun questions.  Why didn't any of the unhybridized humans survive, and where can we find their remains? When did this hybridizing moment occur, when did the extinction of all non-hybridized humans occur, can we give either a year or range of dates?

[LadyForCamus]

God magic'd them away, obv.

[The Grand Nudger]

That doesn't really fit with this whole snake-strange as a biological reality bit, unfortunately.  I don;t care much about magic, which is why I've been addressing it as a reality and asking about it's effects on what -is- testable, and what has been proposed by Huggy.  If someone's confident in their hybridization and extinction hypothesis they ought to be able to answer a few properly basic questions from the field they chose to invoke, there would be some evidence.  It was his choice to leave the realm of magic in the first place, and talk about sex, heritable traits, and ancestry.  It deserves mention that an obvious reading of the text in question leaves us with curses and magic..sure....but Huggy's reimagining -doesn't-.  It's tangible, and testable.  Now, that may have been a regretable oversight on his part, but what's done is done.....and at some point these questions I've asked are going to require something in the way of an answer that exceeds any reference to magic or bible-bombing.

I have many, many more...but I think it;s best to wait until the one's I;ve already asked have been addressed.  Wouldn't want to waste anyone's time. 

[Huggy Bear]

It would be the form that God originally made Adam, which was a theophany. 

Right, and which form would that be...that -is- what I asked.

You think I was hanging out with Adam? How am I supposed to know what he looked like? Did he look like humans do today? I have no idea, other than he would have been made in the perfect human form that God originally intended.

Adam and Eve died, because God said that they would die, simple as that.

So they weren't hybridized but died anyway?

They died because God said they would...

God said "let there be light" and there was, God said they would die that day, and they did.

Notice how even then they lived for 900+ years (To God 1 day = 1000 years)...

Also the curses God put on Adam and Eve weren't about death.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. - Genesis 3:16

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. - Genesis 3:17-19

That's some next level douche shit.  "Imma kill ya...but before I do, I'll make you suffer".  So...none of that had to do with hybridization, then..that was just all added misery?

No, all that stems from being mortal.

A mortal has to eat, which means he has to work...

A mortal feels pain...

got it?

No "going into the ground" is referring to the more obvious death and burial.

I had to ask...since the obvious reading isn;t always the one you prefer.  So..then, how would jesus death do something to effect our heritable, hybridized traits?

By making it possible to be reborn, or did I not already mention that?

*emphasis mine*

1 Corinthians 15

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

So the hybridization was inconsequential, then...and Jesus magic -didn't- do anything to change it.  Some miracle in the future will change it..somehow?   Okay.  How?  How is raising us incorruptible (are we going with the obvious reading here) supposed to change the fact that we're demi-dragons who die?  We'll be resurrected as a different species/sub species with different DNA?  I;m not sure how bible verses are going to address my questions or comport with your previous remarks.  Corinthians isn't a treatise on genetics, is it?  Nor, as a point of fact, does corinthians even remotely address any question I asked you.  Did you interpret my questions as an invitation to ireelevantly quote scripture.  Why?  Why not just cointinue the discussion we were having, about the things you claimed to be true...that you've been arguing for for 30 pages or so.

Is there a problem?

There is a process... do you look at and apple seed and wonder why it's not producing apples? An apple seed will potentially be an apple tree, but it must go through the proper process, It must be buried, watered and in due time it will sprout and grow into an apple tree.

Likewise with a child of God.

Jesus sacrifice made it possible to even begin the process.

A person who come to God must also be buried (symbolized by baptism) and in due time will receive a new body.

Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. - Philippians 3:21

[Huggy Bear]

That doesn't really fit with this whole snake-strange as a biological reality bit, unfortunately.  I don;t care much about magic, which is why I've been addressing it as a reality and asking about it's effects on what -is- testable, and what has been proposed by Huggy.  If someone's confident in their hybridization and extinction hypothesis they ought to be able to answer a few properly basic questions from the field they chose to invoke, there would be some evidence.  It was his choice to leave the realm of magic in the first place, and talk about sex, heritable traits, and ancestry.  It deserves mention that an obvious reading of the text in question leaves us with curses and magic..sure....but Huggy's reimagining -doesn't-.  It's tangible, and testable.  Now, that may have been a regretable oversight on his part, but what's done is done.....and at some point these questions I've asked are going to require something in the way of an answer that exceeds any reference to magic or bible-bombing.

I have many, many more...but I think it;s best to wait until the one's I;ve already asked have been addressed.  Wouldn't want to waste anyone's time. 

*emphasis mine*

except that you accept scientific explanations which are in noway testable... abiogenesis for example.

[LadyForCamus]

Oh, Ffs...