Infinity

[Arkilogue]

In the universe as we know it the following is true.

1.Infinite time is time without end and as such can never be reached.
2.Infinite distance can never be reached. Speed has a maximum which is the speed of light as such an infinite distance cannot be reached for the following reason.Consider sending out a beam of light. The light will never reach infinity as it would need infinite time. An infinite time can never pass as its time without end.
3. Nothing can be infinitely old. Consider making some object. Any time in the future it will always have a finite age as infinite time can never pass. Applying this to the past means that everything that exist is not infinity old or did not always exist.
4.The truth of 3 has been demonstrated by the big bang which was the event that gave birth to the universe.
5. The cause of the event that gave rise to the universe, if it had a property of infinity the same as the infinity in this universe then it in turn would be of a finite age and would need a creating event.
6.Thus anything with a property of infinity the same as the infinity of this universe could not be the ultimate cause of this universe or any universe like it.
7. Thus the ultimate cause of everything that exist has an infinity that is different or nothing like the infinity of this universe.

0. You post is a pain to quote and then read with all the modifiers..

1. Time is inextricable from space and the movement of mass/objects. If you are talking about infinite time, you need to include infinite space and absolute mass in your concept.

2. Light cannot propagate through absolute mass (look up quark matter), it's degree of freedom is the strong nuclear force and the waves that propagate in an infinitely spatial mass are the same for all areas all at the same time. It has a frequency of vibration like standing waves in water.



3. You only took preexisting matter and re-formed it into another shape. Mass/energy is not created nor destroyed, it is transfered and transformed. What was created was the void space to fling fundamental matter into motion thus creating time.

4. The Big Bang inflated the void space required for mass to move and thus "make time happen". It did not created mass.

5. Yes.

6. Yes.

7. Yes. The Infinite prior to the space of the universe is absolute mass, an "all consuming fire" of quark-gluon soup.

8. The space of a universe is a finite spherical bubble within the infinite mass.

9. Our section of this universe which patterns for our specific density of quark exists as spatially finite toroidal ring in motion, like a flying serpent biting it's tail.

10. The toroidal shape and rotation is a relative infinite (of motion) as a finite space, inside an absolute infinity of mass and vibration.

11. There are infinite individual universes and they are all the same basic pattern, yet evolve differently as different spaces at different times.

[fdesilva]

In the universe as we know it the following is true.

1.Infinite time is time without end and as such can never be reached.
2.Infinite distance can never be reached. Speed has a maximum which is the speed of light as such an infinite distance cannot be reached for the following reason.Consider sending out a beam of light. The light will never reach infinity as it would need infinite time. An infinite time can never pass as its time without end.
3. Nothing can be infinitely old. Consider making some object. Any time in the future it will always have a finite age as infinite time can never pass. Applying this to the past means that everything that exist is not infinity old or did not always exist.
4.The truth of 3 has been demonstrated by the big bang which was the event that gave birth to the universe.
5. The cause of the event that gave rise to the universe, if it had a property of infinity the same as the infinity in this universe then it in turn would be of a finite age and would need a creating event.
6.Thus anything with a property of infinity the same as the infinity of this universe could not be the ultimate cause of this universe or any universe like it.
7. Thus the ultimate cause of everything that exist has an infinity that is different or nothing like the infinity of this universe.

0. You post is a pain to quote and then read with all the modifiers..

1. Time is inextricable from space and the movement of mass/objects. If you are talking about infinite time, you need to include infinite space and absolute mass in your concept.

2. Light cannot propagate through absolute mass (look up quark matter), it's degree of freedom is the strong nuclear force and the waves that propagate in an infinitely spatial mass are the same for all areas all at the same time. It has a frequency of vibration like standing waves in water.



3. You only took preexisting matter and re-formed it into another shape.  Mass/energy is not created nor destroyed, it is transfered and transformed. What was created was the void space to fling fundamental matter into motion thus creating time.

4. The Big Bang inflated the void space required for mass to move and thus "make time happen".  It did not created mass.

5. Yes.

6. Yes.

7. Yes. The Infinite prior to the space of the universe is absolute mass, an "all consuming fire" of quark-gluon soup.

8. The space of a universe is a finite spherical bubble within the infinite mass.

9. Our section of this universe which patterns for our specific density of quark exists as spatially finite toroidal ring in motion, like a flying serpent biting it's tail.

10. The toroidal shape and rotation is a relative infinite (of motion) as a finite space, inside an absolute infinity of mass and vibration.

11. There are infinite individual universes and they are all the same basic pattern, yet evolve differently as different spaces at different times.

In regards to

3. You only took preexisting matter and re-formed it into another shape. Mass/energy is not created nor destroyed, it is transfered and transformed. What was created was the void space to fling fundamental matter into motion thus creating time.

4. The Big Bang inflated the void space required for mass to move and thus "make time happen". It did not created mass.

Would I be right to say you are making a hypotheses.?

[chimp3]

In the universe as we know it the following is true.

1.Infinite time is time without end and as such can never be reached.
2.Infinite distance can never be reached. Speed has a maximum which is the speed of light as such an infinite distance cannot be reached for the following reason.Consider sending out a beam of light. The light will never reach infinity as it would need infinite time. An infinite time can never pass as its time without end.
3. Nothing can be infinitely old. Consider making some object. Any time in the future it will always have a finite age as infinite time can never pass. Applying this to the past means that everything that exist is not infinity old or did not always exist.
4.The truth of 3 has been demonstrated by the big bang which was the event that gave birth to the universe.
5. The cause of the event that gave rise to the universe, if it had a property of infinity the same as the infinity in this universe then it in turn would be of a finite age and would need a creating event.
6.Thus anything with a property of infinity the same as the infinity of this universe could not be the ultimate cause of this universe or any universe like it.
7. Thus the ultimate cause of everything that exist has an infinity that is different or nothing like the infinity of this universe.

0. You post is a pain to quote and then read with all the modifiers..

1. Time is inextricable from space and the movement of mass/objects. If you are talking about infinite time, you need to include infinite space and absolute mass in your concept.

2. Light cannot propagate through absolute mass (look up quark matter), it's degree of freedom is the strong nuclear force and the waves that propagate in an infinitely spatial mass are the same for all areas all at the same time. It has a frequency of vibration like standing waves in water.



3. You only took preexisting matter and re-formed it into another shape.  Mass/energy is not created nor destroyed, it is transfered and transformed. What was created was the void space to fling fundamental matter into motion thus creating time.

4. The Big Bang inflated the void space required for mass to move and thus "make time happen".  It did not created mass.

5. Yes.

6. Yes.

7. Yes. The Infinite prior to the space of the universe is absolute mass, an "all consuming fire" of quark-gluon soup.

8. The space of a universe is a finite spherical bubble within the infinite mass.

9. Our section of this universe which patterns for our specific density of quark exists as spatially finite toroidal ring in motion, like a flying serpent biting it's tail.

10. The toroidal shape and rotation is a relative infinite (of motion) as a finite space, inside an absolute infinity of mass and vibration.

11. There are infinite individual universes and they are all the same basic pattern, yet evolve differently as different spaces at different times.

Oh! The irony! I can barely stand it!

[Arkilogue]

0. You post is a pain to quote and then read with all the modifiers..

1. Time is inextricable from space and the movement of mass/objects. If you are talking about infinite time, you need to include infinite space and absolute mass in your concept.

2. Light cannot propagate through absolute mass (look up quark matter), it's degree of freedom is the strong nuclear force and the waves that propagate in an infinitely spatial mass are the same for all areas all at the same time. It has a frequency of vibration like standing waves in water.



3. You only took preexisting matter and re-formed it into another shape.  Mass/energy is not created nor destroyed, it is transfered and transformed. What was created was the void space to fling fundamental matter into motion thus creating time.

4. The Big Bang inflated the void space required for mass to move and thus "make time happen".  It did not created mass.

5. Yes.

6. Yes.

7. Yes. The Infinite prior to the space of the universe is absolute mass, an "all consuming fire" of quark-gluon soup.

8. The space of a universe is a finite spherical bubble within the infinite mass.

9. Our section of this universe which patterns for our specific density of quark exists as spatially finite toroidal ring in motion, like a flying serpent biting it's tail.

10. The toroidal shape and rotation is a relative infinite (of motion) as a finite space, inside an absolute infinity of mass and vibration.

11. There are infinite individual universes and they are all the same basic pattern, yet evolve differently as different spaces at different times.

In regards to

3. You only took preexisting matter and re-formed it into another shape.  Mass/energy is not created nor destroyed, it is transfered and transformed. What was created was the void space to fling fundamental matter into motion thus creating time.

4. The Big Bang inflated the void space required for mass to move and thus "make time happen".  It did not created mass.

Would I be right to say you are making a hypotheses.?

Yes, a hypothesis/theory that yields a 3d holographic model which geometrically predicts universal order, structure, and behavior/anatomy of it's inner parts like atoms, DNA, and self aware consciousnesses. Also predicts the modern refined measure of the "dark energy" expansive constant to within .5%

[Arkilogue]

Oh! The irony! I can barely stand it!

[Aractus]

In the universe as we know it the following is true.

Infinity is a just an idea, a concept, it's not real. There is no such thing as infinity, it's simply used to describe things that are difficult to describe in tangible ways.

[Arkilogue]

In the universe as we know it the following is true.

Infinity is a just an idea, a concept, it's not real. There is no such thing as infinity, it's simply used to describe things that are difficult to describe in tangible ways.

Which infinity?

An infinite empty space?
An infinite space permeated by a field?
An infinite space permeated by matter?
An infinite line?
An infinite plane?
The infinite travel of a line around in a circle?
The infinite rotation of the surface of a sphere?
The infinite rotational travel of the space within a torus like a wheel of time?

Perhaps the infinite duration of a process through time and this is where infinity begets eternity?
Perhaps the Infinites are the necessity, they all exist simultaneously and we the merry mortals are right smack in the middle of their dance.

Pascal and I would have had some conversations.... https://www.sfsite.com/fsf/2001/ben0104.htm


Pascal's Terror
"The silence of those infinite spaces terrifies me."
-- Blaise Pascal, 1623-1662

With this memorable sentence, a thoughtful, religious Frenchman saw that the problem of infinity unlocked by modern science was basic. It remains so today.

Most awful of the perspectives opening to the seventeenth century mind was the stillness of the yawning heavens, their moral blankness. There was no music of the spheres.

Blaise Pascal was a Catholic who confronted his own doubts by thinking in terms of the shadow modern science cast over the ebbing theological intellectual landscape of his era. He saw science as a new door to knowledge, one that had to be reconciled with the ancient path of religion.

To Pascal, a man in love with the absolute--whether in his deft calculus of probabilities or in his acute theology--that refusal of the universe to tip its hand, to lend purpose to human action, was terrifying. Though Aristotle had said, "either an outright denial or an outright acknowledgment of the being of the infinite leads to many impossibilities," the ancient world had not earnestly grappled with the implications.

[fdesilva]

In regards to


Would I be right to say you are making a hypotheses.?

Yes, a hypothesis/theory that yields a 3d holographic model which geometrically predicts universal order, structure, and behavior/anatomy of it's inner parts like atoms, DNA, and self aware consciousnesses. Also predicts the modern refined measure of the "dark energy" expansive constant to within .5%

Would you have a link to your paper?

[I_am_not_mafia]

Consider sending out a beam of light. The light will never reach infinity as it would need infinite time. An infinite time can never pass as its time without end.

Gah! I hate it when people litter their posts with "[color=#000000][size=medium][font=Calibri]". it makes it really difficult to quote them.

I'm not a physicist but I did hear that the theory of general relativity, it's not just a matter of time dilation but also length contraction. So a beam of light travelling at the speed of light reaches its destination instantaneously.

7. Thus the ultimate cause of everything that exist has an infinity that is different or nothing like the infinity of this universe.

Two points here. First you are equivocating with the word 'cause'. This always assumes that something acts upon something else, but what causes the weather for example? There is more explanatory power in understanding it as a self organising system in which matter rearranges itself due to the flow of energy.

Secondly, energy cannot be created nor destroyed, there is no need to invoke anything else. We can explain in more or less detail how energy led to matter and how complexity has grown since the Big Bang.

[fdesilva]

In the universe as we know it the following is true.

Infinity is a just an idea, a concept, it's not real. There is no such thing as infinity, it's simply used to describe things that are difficult to describe in tangible ways.

If according to you everything that exist is finite
Then essentially everything that exist must cease to exist.
By the same token everything that exist could not have always existed.
Then this leads to the question what induced the existence of the things that do exist?