Liberals on this forum are irrational

[TheDarkestOfAngels]

Ah... ehem... okay.
Let's get this fail-train on track.

Really? If you have some tiny connection to racists than you are a racist? Than democrats and liberals are all racists. It was democrats that thought slavery should be left to the states. Segregationist Strom Thurmond was a liberal. Also, look at these liberal cartooons:

Really? Have you seen the political platforms and compared the parties then and now? Do you really think that Abraham Lincoln and even Ronald Reagan would run as a modern Republican?
How about the ideaological transformations that changed and created the current political parties in this country? Lincoln being called a 'republican' doesn't necessarily mean he is one in the modern sense of the set of ideaologies.
Further, there are horrifically racist examples of people from all ideaological angles. Pointing out a few liberal (imaginary or otherwise) racists doesn't condemn the entire democratic party.

http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/002864.php
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/mh...toon_1.jpg

You are all a bunch of fucking racists according to your own pathetic logic.

You can't even show a racist political cartoon?
Even if they were racist, what exactly have you proven?
Do I really need to dig up the enormous well of modern racist statements and pictures of people against Obama between now and '08 or mysogynistic things about Hiliary Clinton since '92 from the non-liberals for a little comparative reading?

I don't know what you think you've done so far, but proving that all liberals are racist is something you have yet to accomplish.

Also, RepubLibertariaNazis....Really? Are you fucking kidding me? Mixing Republicans, Libertarians and Nazis? None of those three political philosophies have anything to do with each other. Republicans are far from anything close to libertarians. Republicans are just as much big government idiots as you liberals just in different areas. Like liberals, the think freedom can be taken away by any politician. Libertarians fight for the freedoms and liberties that Neo-cons and liberals are trying to take away. And as for the Nazis that is simply a cop-out. Comparing a group that has nothing to do with Nazis with the Nazis shows a lack of rational argument. Have either Republicans or Libertarians shown an interest in ethnic cleansing?

Republicans? ... where do I begin?
Are you gay? Non-christian? Atheist? Muslim? A liberal? An illegal Immigrant (or a brown person)? Not wealthy? Pro Choice?
If anyone says yes to any of those things (and far far more) then I can find someone, somewhere, in some prominant political office who has outright said or done something that would achieve something to this effect.

Examples: South Dakota decides that murdering certain people is okay... those filthy ABORTIONISTS
Screw YOU gay people! -Re: Texas (To be fair, the law seems to have been repealed.)
Screw YOU gay people! Electric Boogaloo. -Re: Evangelical Republicans
Rush Limbaugh on killing liberals - leave just enough to remember what they stood for.

Libertarians are like republicans and nazis through the fact that their political ideaology is to remove any controls on human greed and corruption and let assume people will do that to themselves through what I can only assume due to either ignorance or naivete assumes it will work. Either way, someone other than you will determine your future in a nation founded by libertarian ideaology. Although obviously unintentional it is all but inevitable.

As for Nazis?
Definatively authoritarian. They're just not as subtle about it.

In short, if you have promoted any of these pathetic arguments than you are an idiot.

I agree, not that anyone, liberal or otherwise, ever has to my knowledge.

[DeistPaladin]

Libertarians can talk all they like about their socially liberal views. The Republican Party always sucks them in by bandying around buzzwords like "big government". After the election is over, they return back to fighting their "culture war".

Perhaps it's like progressives and the Democrat Party in that we have no real influence, we just get used and then thrown under the bus. It may also be as Rev Jer suggested, that economic issues and supporting the plutocracy are the primary concern.

If the latter is the case, a difference that makes no difference is no difference.

As for the Nazi reference, it's a bit hyperbolic but the Republican Party has been moving further and further to the right over the last 30 years. Reagan is now a liberal by modern standards and W. Bush, once a symbol of conservative America, is now a centrist in comparison to the current crop of candidates. I think it's quite justifiable to use the word "fascism" to describe some influential elements in the Republican Party, particularly the Neo Cons and Tea Party.

And since Libertarians can be expected to continue to support the Republican Party and since the Republican Party is promoting fascism, there's your connection.

Anything else I can explain?

[Minimalist]

Mixing Republicans, Libertarians and Nazis? None of those three political philosophies have anything to do with each other

Go to a tea party rally and then get back to me. P.S. it has NOTHING to do with "philosophy"...which is a word most of those douchebags can't spell.

[Tiberius]

Libertarians vote both ways, increasingly voting Democrat in recent years (i.e. 2004 - 2008):

https://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6735

In the Obama administration, Libertarians have started moving back to voting for the Republican party, possibly because of the whole "big government" position of Obama, and the fact that the tea party are considered a growing movement within the republican party, with a "small government" message.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa658.pdf

Interestingly, during the Clinton administration, votes were split almost evenly between republicans and democrats.

One possible reason why Libertarians in America vote for economic issues over social issues is that the constitution of the US supports most social issues from the outset; the various civil rights battles are not won by voting different parties into office, but are instead decided by the courts. The constitution on the other hand, says very little about economic policy. It may very well be (and I admit I'm only guessing here) that Libertarians in America choose to vote on economic issues because they believe that the various social issues that they support (i.e. gay marriage, abortion, etc) will be sorted out via constitutional lawyers rather than government intervention.

[Shell B]

Dean, while I completely support your right to rant about anything you want to rant about, you know how I feel about blanket statements. A person is a person, not an entire group of people. I'm not a liberal, but if I were, I would think, "All of the liberals on this forum? That fucker!" Your best bet is to debate the individual. I'm not telling you what to do, but starting a thread to bash a group is counterproductive and your drunk ass knows it. Oh, and stop taking Sae seriously, unless you understand what she is saying, which is rare for all of us. You'll work yourself into a frenzy and she will have a blast fucking with you.

[DeistPaladin]

Adrian, I started to read the article you first linked to and came across this gem:

In the 2004 election both parties decided their best strategy was not to appeal to moderate voters but rather to find people already inclined to vote for them and get them to the polls.

What planet was this author living on during the 2004 election. The Dems have been chasing the Republicans to the right ever since 2000, arguably since 1992.

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In the Obama administration, Libertarians have started moving back to voting for the Republican party, possibly because of the whole "big government" position of Obama, and the fact that the tea party are considered a growing movement within the republican party, with a "small government" message.

The Tea Party is only about "small government" with regard to corporate regulation.

[Faith No More]

In the Obama administration, Libertarians have started moving back to voting for the Republican party, possibly because of the whole "big government" position of Obama, and the fact that the tea party are considered a growing movement within the republican party, with a "small government" message.

The Tea Party is only about "small government" with regard to corporate regulation.

I have to agree with this. When most people in the U.S. say 'small government,' it really just means they want the government to do what they want it to do. The phrase 'small government' in the U.S. is a smokescreen like 'family values.' They don't mean what people are trying to portray them as.

[Darth]

If somebody said to me republibertarianazi's my thoughts would go straight to the tea party. They are republicans, they pretend to be libertarians, and whilst they aren't nazi's, they are sure as hell trying.

[Violet]

You speciest.

I am one of those too And so is everyone else here

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There have been multiple times where people have called Republicans or Libertarians racists because of some miniscule connection to racism in their respective groups. This is what Dean-o was pointing out, and rightly calling illogical. If you searched for about 5 minutes on Google, you could find some link to racism in any political party, including liberal groups.

He also pointed out the childish behaviour of those who resort to calling their political opponents "RepubLibertariaNazis" or similar terms. There is an old custom in forums that anyone making a comparison of someone to Nazis without an actual valid reason to has automatically lost whatever debate or discussion they are in. (See Godwin's Law).

Hardly minuscule if this is the tea party we are speaking of here

And I still can't get past that name... every time I hear it I think everyone in it is five

And republibertarianazi is nothing but clever, so don't you be dissing it

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Dean, while I completely support your right to rant about anything you want to rant about, you know how I feel about blanket statements. A person is a person, not an entire group of people. I'm not a liberal, but if I were, I would think, "All of the liberals on this forum? That fucker!" Your best bet is to debate the individual. I'm not telling you what to do, but starting a thread to bash a group is counterproductive and your drunk ass knows it. Oh, and stop taking Sae seriously, unless you understand what she is saying, which is rare for all of us. You'll work yourself into a frenzy and she will have a blast fucking with you.

Noooooooo!!!! You've ruined it all!!!!!

Meanieface...

I still love you

[reverendjeremiah]

Libertarians vote both ways, increasingly voting Democrat in recent years (i.e. 2004 - 2008):

https://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6735

In the Obama administration, Libertarians have started moving back to voting for the Republican party, possibly because of the whole "big government" position of Obama, and the fact that the tea party are considered a growing movement within the republican party, with a "small government" message.

http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa658.pdf

Interestingly, during the Clinton administration, votes were split almost evenly between republicans and democrats.

One possible reason why Libertarians in America vote for economic issues over social issues is that the constitution of the US supports most social issues from the outset; the various civil rights battles are not won by voting different parties into office, but are instead decided by the courts. The constitution on the other hand, says very little about economic policy. It may very well be (and I admit I'm only guessing here) that Libertarians in America choose to vote on economic issues because they believe that the various social issues that they support (i.e. gay marriage, abortion, etc) will be sorted out via constitutional lawyers rather than government intervention.

I thumbed this up because this is the most factual and interesting political post that you have made so far.