About Living With Shia Muslims & my Closeness to Shia Political figures

[A Theist]

I think staying there to try and make changes would be impossible without broad support and support from the military. I would try to find a way to get myself and my family out of there. Maybe try to effect change in that country some other way at a safe distance.

He needs support from the military to make changes in his family? Why take what I asked to the extreme? Oops, caught your user name, never mind.

What the hell are you talking about? Where did I say he needed the military to make changes in his family? My point was, given the nature of his country, it would be impossible to make revolutionary changes there without broad support its citizens and support from its military joining in. I suggested that he should find a way to get himself and his family out of that country and try to effect change there at a safe distance.

[brewer]

He needs support from the military to make changes in his family? Why take what I asked to the extreme? Oops, caught your user name, never mind.

What the hell are you talking about? Where did I say he needed the military to make changes in his family? My point was, given the nature of his country, it would be impossible to make revolutionary changes there without broad support its citizens and support from its military joining in. I suggested that he should find a way to get himself and his family out of that country and try to effect change there at a safe distance.

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I said "make a change". I gave him the option to choose what "change" he wanted to address. You took "change" to the extreme and suggested military only option. I choose "family" as an example of change that you failed to consider. Are there not other "change" options open to him than yours? 

That's what the hell I'm talking about. Limited/extremist/tunnel vision thought.

[The Grand Nudger]

The main issue then is environment-dependent. Not religion. I've lived with Muslims and have had different experience with them.

Were they in charge of every facet of your life?  It would be a mistake to separate islam from islamism, let alone institutional islamism.

[GrandizerII]

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[Defender]

Until you can leave can you move? Maybe into a less authoritative religious community, say Zoroastrian?

Speaking geographically and legally it's very difficult to be out. Borders are well secured and in cases like this we might end up killed before we go out, who knows? The only way we can be out is through money, but money is scarce given the situation I'm facing right now to get a job is even more difficult process than what you may think, remember that I'm come from this community which the government suppresses. When you're accidentally in the middle of a conflict, no one will care who you are and or how you came there. You'll be part of that conflict willing or compulsory. Though, not to say jobs aren't available. You can find a job, but because I'm part of this society which I can't deny given my accent and other characteristics that distinguish us from others, I'll get a very low salary. Reality is more accurate than words. 

It's hard to describe the situation really, I'm trying to get you to the point. Moving to another community will not alter anything. I'm considered to be a Muslim, even my name states that clearly. If I shout all day long: "I'm not a Muslim!" what will it change? The communities you're talking about are most likely to be foreigners who are working. It's difficult to be there and nothing will change the reality so long as I'm considered a Muslim and this is clearly stated their constitution. Foreigners can get away with their lives, but the amount of risk will be still substantial wherever you move inside the country and will be less substantial outside the country, that's not to say the risk isn't substantial outside. I know the big guys and they'll follow me everywhere, I can tell you exactly who they are and Iran might order my assassination if I went out to the public speaking about their beliefs or clerics. For sure, the information that I have is a valuable asset for intelligence services. Nobody got a closer look into the group than me. 

[The Grand Nudger]

I;m going to be super blunt with you.  You have nothing of interest to a dod or intelligence contact if what you know is what some nutball cleric believes and preaches to his nutball followers based upon childhood history and relationships.    Put that fantasy, however remote, out of mind.  No one is coming to help you.  

If you want to leave the place you're at, you need to make it happen.  It might be super hard, but it's either worth it...or it isn't.

[brewer]

Speaking geographically and legally it's very difficult to be out. Borders are well secured and in cases like this we might end up killed before we go out, who knows? The only way we can be out is through money, but money is scarce given the situation I'm facing right now to get a job is even more difficult process than what you may think, remember that I'm come from this community which the government suppresses. When you're accidentally in the middle of a conflict, no one will care who you are and or how you came there. You'll be part of that conflict willing or compulsory. Though, not to say jobs aren't available. You can find a job, but because I'm part of this society which I can't deny given my accent and other characteristics that distinguish us from others, I'll get a very low salary. Reality is more accurate than words. 

It's hard to describe the situation really, I'm trying to get you to the point. Moving to another community will not alter anything. I'm considered to be a Muslim, even my name states that clearly. If I shout all day long: "I'm not a Muslim!" what will it change? The communities you're talking about are most likely to be foreigners who are working. It's difficult to be there and nothing will change the reality so long as I'm considered a Muslim and this is clearly stated their constitution. Foreigners can get away with their lives, but the amount of risk will be still substantial wherever you move inside the country and will be less substantial outside the country, that's not to say the risk isn't substantial outside. I know the big guys and they'll follow me everywhere, I can tell you exactly who they are and Iran might order my assassination if I went out to the public speaking about their beliefs or clerics. For sure, the information that I have is a valuable asset for intelligence services. Nobody got a closer look into the group than me. 

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Well, now I've got to ask. If you are that well known, watched that closely by the "big guys", are a potential assassination target and hold vital intelligence secrets, what the hell are you doing on this forum? 

Now I have to question either your intelligence or my own.

[Defender]

Well, now I've got to ask. If you are that well known, watched that closely by the "big guys", are a potential assassination target and hold vital intelligence secrets, what the hell are you doing on this forum? 

Now I have to question either your intelligence or my own.

If you go back to my main post, I didn't say I'm closely watched by the big guys. Yes, I'm a potential assassination target if I go out in public speaking about myself. I never said I hold vital intelligence secrets, I'm a potential source of information that will benefit different agencies, including intelligence services. 

what the hell are you doing on this forum? 

I do not believe in hell! Is that okay?

[brewer]

Well, now I've got to ask. If you are that well known, watched that closely by the "big guys", are a potential assassination target and hold vital intelligence secrets, what the hell are you doing on this forum? 

Now I have to question either your intelligence or my own.

If you go back to my main post, I didn't say I'm closely watched by the big guys. Yes, I'm a potential assassination target if I go out in public speaking about myself. I never said I hold vital intelligence secrets, I'm a potential source of information that will benefit different agencies, including intelligence services. 

what the hell are you doing on this forum? 

I do not believe in hell! Is that okay?

Figure of speech but yeah, more than OK. Bye!!!!!!!!!!