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 (June 8, 2011 at 1:53 am)tackattack Wrote:(June 7, 2011 at 8:33 pm)Anymouse Wrote: Well, I am willing to call it "unresolved." Like lots of stuff. Kind of drags away from the topic of the question, too. Tacky, you can't have doubts and have faith as well, I suggest. If you have doubts then your faith is shattered. If you have faith, then there is no doubt. You're all screwed up man!  A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
Faith = belief without objective material evidence.
Faith = a confident belief, committed in trust in the experience, truth, and trustworthiness of God (well explained by Ryft here. Why can't you question, doubt or wonder aout faith? How in that does it in any way invalidate my current faith. Back up your assertions or go home.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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I may be a bit off in this, but I believe a central part of Judaism is about questioning faith. Much as I loathe monotheism above all religion types, Judaism seems to have a shred of intellectualism built into it.
Doesn't mean they aren't bonkers for believing, but it gives them a bit of hope for freedom.
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(June 9, 2011 at 12:35 am)tackattack Wrote: Faith = belief without objective material evidence. Faith demands nothing except believing the incredible, hence the saying " blind faith ". Once you start doubting or wondering, you've blown your cover. I am home, by the way! A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
There in is the difference. You're assuming a particular type of faith that is blind. It would then be missing assensus and thus be irrational. If that's your definition of faith then I agree it won't withstand quesitoning. That still doesn't preclude it from being questioned though.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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tacky, please explain to me how you claim to have doubts about god but have faith god is there. If you know god is there then surely that leaves no room for doubting?
I have no doubts that, in all probability, god doesn't exist. A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
 (June 4, 2011 at 6:14 pm)Pel Wrote: This is a question for atheists, deists and such. If you were to be asked what is God like and why in case he existed what would you say? The answer should be based on your observation and reflection of everything that has surounded you. Also try to look into your emotions. Thanks Diffidus: If a God existed (and I cannot base this on my observation, since I have never witnessed such a phenomena) it would need to have all the attributes necessary to create the whole universe including life itself. I would imagine such a God to be impersonal. A being that created the universe and then left it to evolve so that people could have free will within it. A God could not be all powerful, omnipotent and perfect due to the fact that evil exists. An impersonal God, of the sought that I describe, may even answer Epicurus' riddle with regard to the existence of evil in the world: If He is able and willing - whence cometh evil. If He is unable but willing - then He is not omnipotent. If He is able but unwilling - then He is malevolent. If He is unable and unwilling - then why call him God?
Sure. I know at this moment, that God is in my life, he exists and interacts personally with me in my life. I base this off of faith in that there is no objective materialist evidence to support that. However there are subjective indicators that it's more likely that he exists than doesn't. That's valid for me and practical for me to say I believe there is a God through my faith. The fact that the support for that is experiential in nature and subjective, does and should, constantly be validated for accuracy. I do this by questioning, reasoning, doubting. I question whether I am interpreting my experiences accurately, I doubt at times (since belief is a continuous process) my intentions motives and experiences. I reason, attempt to remove bias and re-reason things regularly.
you said in all probablitiy.. so it's possible that he does exist.. that is a doubt. It's a natural thing to have doubts.. I don't see why it's such a difficult concept for me to get accross. (June 10, 2011 at 2:22 pm)bozo Wrote: tacky, please explain to me how you claim to have doubts about god but have faith god is there. If you know god is there then surely that leaves no room for doubting?
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
always working on cleaning my windows- me regarding Johari (June 11, 2011 at 4:08 am)tackattack Wrote: Sure. I know at this moment, that God is in my life, he exists and interacts personally with me in my life. I base this off of faith in that there is no objective materialist evidence to support that. However there are subjective indicators that it's more likely that he exists than doesn't. That's valid for me and practical for me to say I believe there is a God through my faith. The fact that the support for that is experiential in nature and subjective, does and should, constantly be validated for accuracy. I do this by questioning, reasoning, doubting. I question whether I am interpreting my experiences accurately, I doubt at times (since belief is a continuous process) my intentions motives and experiences. I reason, attempt to remove bias and re-reason things regularly. I am an atheist, tacky! Hence it is not so much difficult as impossible for you to convince me that your faith proves the existence of god. Or is your invisible friend your very own, personal god? I don't have a doubt about god's non-existence. I am as close as it can get to stating that it is 100% certain god doesn't exist, but I am not as arrogant as people of faith, like you, who claim god exists without the evidence to prove it. A man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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