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RE: A challenge!
January 3, 2017 at 7:56 am
(January 3, 2017 at 12:31 am)MysticKnight Wrote: This is because you don't want there to be clear proofs and firm conclusive evidence at the moment.
There is a time to doubt and there is a time when doubt is unreasonable and you have to shut it off and take a leap of faith with vision of the heart and strength.
If you have 100% conclusive evidence, you do not need faith or visions.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: A challenge!
January 3, 2017 at 8:05 am
Question Zero: Can you prove any god or gods exist?
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RE: A challenge!
January 3, 2017 at 8:37 am
I can easily debate against
2. God exists
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RE: A challenge!
January 3, 2017 at 8:39 am
(This post was last modified: January 3, 2017 at 8:40 am by LastPoet.)
What an exercise in futility.
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RE: A challenge!
January 3, 2017 at 9:23 am
(This post was last modified: January 3, 2017 at 9:28 am by ApeNotKillApe.)
1. Stupid.
2. Wrong.
3. Wrong and stupid.
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RE: A challenge!
January 3, 2017 at 10:10 am
(This post was last modified: January 3, 2017 at 10:13 am by Astonished.)
(January 2, 2017 at 11:50 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I want one on one debates on three separate assertions.
1. If God exists, there is a true religion out there.
2. God exists.
3. If there is a true religion, Islam is it.
Anyone can agree with me to debate any of these three.
I guarantee you I have not just an argument for each but many concrete 100% conclusive arguments for each.
I will only debate one topic at a time.
By the way, if 3 is proven, and then 1 is proven, then 2 is proven, then Islam is proven.
Look forward to any challengers!
Look, bro, if you can't provide evidence for even the most basic deistic creator god, then points 1 and 3 are futile subjects. The fact that any non-theist ever even humors a theist and lets any other debates that center around a particular god or gods of certain specific religions wherein they arbitrarily have ascribed characteristics to said deities without any more justification than the assertion that it had to be a creator, is one of the clearest indications of which side has the intellectually honest high ground.
If you want to point to everything that exists and call it creation, I would simply ask how you know it isn't just existence, that it was always here. Since god always has to have special pleading on his part to be the end to the infinite regression of the prime mover, Carl Sagan has said, why give this characteristic to an unidentifiable, nebulous super-being of such complexity (and admitted incompetence in design) when you can simply assume this about the observable universe without multiplying unnecessary contingencies and invoking a sky fairy that no one can see, hear, smell, touch or taste?
Also, seems to me this should have gone in the Islam-specific section of the Religion board since that's the primary purpose of the debate, proving that particular god.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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RE: A challenge!
January 3, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Someone set up the official debate already!
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RE: A challenge!
January 3, 2017 at 12:20 pm
<zero_wing>Someone set up us the bomb!</zero_wing>
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RE: A challenge!
January 3, 2017 at 12:31 pm
No evidence I see. New year, same shit.