"Declared Clinically Dead"

[ignoramus]

Abort, abort! Charlie foxtrot in progress...

[J a c k]

Abort, abort! Charlie foxtrot in progress...

[zebo-the-fat]

Death is not an event, it's a process.

[ignoramus]

Every single one of our atoms are intact and will be forever. (And have been)
(Matter cannot be created or destroyed)

Theists, think of death as the universe wanting her stardust back, that's all.
Nothing changes except you don't get to keep your consciousness, no biggie.

Apparently, it's a big fucking biggie!

Go figure?
Fragile egos! Fragile egos everywhere! (Sorry, no meme, I'm on the throne)

[chimp3]

A client told me she was dead for two days. She then told me her medical bills were huge, ya know, for receiving medical treatment on those two days they kept her in a hospital room while dead. Because totally.

I was admitting a man from the ICU to the rehab unit . This involves doing a physical assessment and asking questions. He started telling me about his NDE and I pretended I did not hear him and asked the next question. I am too busy for that nonsense.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Death is not an event, it's a process.

No, it's an event.

Boru

[Huggy Bear]

This phrase always amuses me when reading accounts of "near death experiences". The subject is always declared clinically dead and yet is receiving resuscitation. That is not what happens. During a CPR/ defibrillation procedure a series of rescue breathing/ chest compressions , checking the heart rhythm to see if defibrillation is needed, and drugs are given.  This can go on for quite awhile. Then when the Doctor says "Stop!" that's it. The time is noted and now the patient is declared dead. The death certificate for example will note "Time of death 14:22" . At no time before the resuscitation is the person declared dead. If you don't believe it , get a degree in medicine or nursing and see for yourself.

You're clearly wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_syndrome

Lazarus syndrome, also known as autoresuscitation after failed cardiopulmonary resuscitation,is the spontaneous return of circulation after failed attempts at resuscitation. Its occurrence has been noted in medical literature at least 38 times since 1982.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dead-ohio-ma...g-doctors/

A man who was declared dead when his heart stopped beating for 45 minutes suddenly revived, said his stunned doctors, who can't find an explanation. The man, though, credits his faith.

[Edwardo Piet]

Additionally, I've never got a good explanation of why an NDE is so often touted as proof of an afterlife.  It's called a near death experience for a reason:  you aren't dead.  If you haven't died, how the hell can you claim to have seen the afterlife?

If people actually died during these episodes, they'd be called 'death experiences'.  Funny how nobody who has actually had a death experience has come back to tell us what it's like.  Know why?  BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKING DEAD!!

Boru

Lol this reminded me of George Carlin so much.

Specifically this quote:

[...]you know where the sanctity of life came from? We made it up! You know why? Cause we're alive! Self-interest. Living people have a strong interest in promoting the idea that somehow life is sacred. You don't see Abbott and Costello running around, talking about this shit, do you? We're not hearing a whole lot from Mussolini on the subject. What's the latest from JFK? Not a god damned thing, cause JFK, Mussolini, and Abbott and Costello are fucking dead. They're fucking dead, and dead people give less than a shit about the sanctity of life. Only living people care about it, so the whole thing grows out of a completely biased point of view. It's a self-serving, man-made bullshit story. It's one of these things we tell ourselves so we'll feel noble. Life is sacred, makes you feel noble.

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Death is not an event, it's a process.

No, it's an event.

Boru

I'd say it's a state. A permanent state of not being alive anymore.

[Ravenshire]

This phrase always amuses me when reading accounts of "near death experiences". The subject is always declared clinically dead and yet is receiving resuscitation. That is not what happens. During a CPR/ defibrillation procedure a series of rescue breathing/ chest compressions , checking the heart rhythm to see if defibrillation is needed, and drugs are given.  This can go on for quite awhile. Then when the Doctor says "Stop!" that's it. The time is noted and now the patient is declared dead. The death certificate for example will note "Time of death 14:22" . At no time before the resuscitation is the person declared dead. If you don't believe it , get a degree in medicine or nursing and see for yourself.

You're clearly wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_syndrome

Lazarus syndrome, also known as autoresuscitation after failed cardiopulmonary resuscitation,is the spontaneous return of circulation after failed attempts at resuscitation. Its occurrence has been noted in medical literature at least 38 times since 1982.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dead-ohio-ma...g-doctors/

A man who was declared dead when his heart stopped beating for 45 minutes suddenly revived, said his stunned doctors, who can't find an explanation. The man, though, credits his faith.

Interesting that you quote wiki and a news report, but no medical or scientific studies, papers or reports.

[Huggy Bear]

You're clearly wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_syndrome

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dead-ohio-ma...g-doctors/

Interesting that you quote wiki and a news report, but no medical or scientific studies, papers or reports.

Of course the OP can just talk out of his ass, but I need to provide specific references.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121643/

The Lazarus phenomenon is described as delayed return of spontaneous circulation (ROSC) after cessation of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR).

Good enough for you?