UK to leave EU

[ukatheist]

Can't believe I beat Bella to this...

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Brexit: MPs overwhelmingly back Article 50 bill - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38833883

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Edit: I didn't add the 'I saw this on the bbc....' bit, inserts it automatically with the link apparently.

[I_am_not_mafia]

When I finish moving flat and settling into the new job I can continue with applying for a German passport. And if Scotland doesn't get its independence then we're leaving. I only came back for a 1 1/2 year contract, which got extended for half a year and then Brexit happened. I want to stay for IndyRef2, if only so my husband can get a Scottish passport. Although I'd love one myself it would make sense to keep the British passport so we keep our options open but I'm undecided. It's not like I will ever settle down in England, but I might find it useful coming back for a post doc for a year.

I always thought that soft Brexit was never actually going to happen and only a way to sweet talk the undecided, letting them think that they can have their cake and eat it. A bit like how Christians only show the best bits of the Bible until you get indoctrinated and then find out about Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

[abaris]

When I finish moving flat and settling into the new job I can continue with applying for a German passport.

Isn't it ironic that many people tried to flee Germany some 80 years ago and now it looks like a save haven in a sea of insanity to many people? Me included.

[I_am_not_mafia]

When I finish moving flat and settling into the new job I can continue with applying for a German passport.

Isn't it ironic that many people tried to flee Germany some 80 years ago and now it looks like a save haven in a sea of insanity to many people? Me included.

Ironic, but also understandable if you think in terms of historical mistakes being repeated when the lessons learnt from them are no longer in living memory.

For example unsustainable debt and fascism / authoritarianism.

[account_inactive]

Can't believe I beat Bella to this...

A proper departure from the European Union is not likely to happen. I get the feeling that May and her friends will stab us in the back by eventually settling for a 'soft' Brexit and we don't really have the right attitude in the UK for standing up to governments that mess us about.

It is absolutely tragic to be honest with you but that's how it is. I would be pleasantly surprised if a 'hard' Brexit does happen but I remain pessimistic.

[Homeless Nutter]

A proper departure from the European Union is not likely to happen. I get the feeling that May and her friends will stab us in the back by eventually settling for a 'soft' Brexit

Oh, no, no, no. May will deliver exactly what she promised - a "red, white and blue Brexit". Whatever that means...

Brexiters are gullible fools, who didn't plan beyond the referendum, upon which "achievement" the people, responsible for swindling the country into voting against its interest, declared that their job was done. And the morons, who believed their blatantly false slogans and the chest-thumping rhetoric and voted to leave - didn't even try to hold them accountable.

That's why the process of leaving the EU is in the hands of someone, who campaigned for "Remain". And you have no say in the proceedings. Your participation ended at the referendum. Now all you get to do, until the next election is stand in the corner and grimly watch adults try to clean up your mess. (I don't mean you personally, as I don't know if you voted).

Whatever happens - most of the country will be unhappy anyway. So Maggie May and the Funky Bunch can pretty much do whatever they please.

and we don't really have the right attitude in the UK for standing up to governments that mess us about.

Uhm, that's probably because at least half the country (possibly a lot more) doesn't want to leave the EU. Brexit - just like Drumpf presidency - was a political stunt, that went too far. And it's going to cost all of us.

It is absolutely tragic [...]

Yes, well - my sentiments, exactly...

[account_inactive]

Unlikely to ever happen, even if they did block any bills to do with Brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38915553

The House of Lords has been warned its existence will be put at risk if it attempts to block the Brexit bill, after MPs voted to pass it unamended.

The bill - to give the government the authority to trigger Article 50 - was approved by 494 votes to 122 in the Commons, and now moves to the Lords.

A government source said the Lords will face an "overwhelming" public call to be abolished if it opposes the bill.

Brexit Secretary David Davis called on peers to "do their patriotic duty".

Prime Minister Theresa May wants to invoke Article 50 - the starting gun on the two-year process of the UK leaving the EU - by the end of March.

However, after a Supreme Court ruling last month, she first requires Parliament's permission.

[account_inactive]

"Child refugees"

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38912428

A key route into the UK for children caught up in Europe's migrant crisis is to close after a total of 350 arrivals.

In a written ministerial statement, the Home Office said it would stop receiving children via the so-called Dubs amendment at the end of March.

The law, designed by peer and former refugee Lord Dubs, aimed to help some of the estimated 90,000 unaccompanied migrant children across Europe.

The peer has accused ministers of a "shameful" decision.

A legal challenge on how the government has handled the legal commitment will go ahead on Friday.

Ministers accepted the Dubs amendment last year after months of pressure from campaigners and members of the public to take children from the "Jungle" migrant camp in Calais.

[Ben Davis]

Unlikely to ever happen, even if they did block any bills to do with Brexit.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38915553

The House of Lords has been warned its existence will be put at risk if it attempts to block the Brexit bill, after MPs voted to pass it unamended.

The bill - to give the government the authority to trigger Article 50 - was approved by 494 votes to 122 in the Commons, and now moves to the Lords.

A government source said the Lords will face an "overwhelming" public call to be abolished if it opposes the bill.

Brexit Secretary David Davis called on peers to "do their patriotic duty".

Prime Minister Theresa May wants to invoke Article 50 - the starting gun on the two-year process of the UK leaving the EU - by the end of March.

However, after a Supreme Court ruling last month, she first requires Parliament's permission.

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Yes, the Lords' patriotic duty is to block Brexit. In a representative democracy, Parliament can take advice from constituents but they are then charged, constitutionally, to act in their best interests, irrespective of majority or populist concerns. That's why we only have advisory referrenda; the people don't always know what's best for them. Brexit is being driven by a super-vocal minority and is not in our best interests, according to almost every measure of interest. There are a lot of threats made by Leavers, if they don't get what they want and no arguments of substance to back their view that Brexit is worth it. It's an ideological position, entirely and backed by zero pragmatism. Since the vote, people have been leaving the Leave camp in droves as reality sets in and they understand the lies and consequences. I very much doubt that if it was blocked, there would be any backlash at all.

What needs to be gleaned from this however, is the huge amount of political disenfranchisement on all sides. That's how the political extremists and neoliberals have manipulated people in to voting against their own best interests in order to serve their selfish super-capitalist agendas.

[account_inactive]

I doubt Theresa May will carry out a proper Brexit anyway, and tantrums from people like you don't help either. Enjoy the continuing tyranny from Brussels.

Abolish the Lords as revenge if they try anything, just for the hell of it.