Ancient civilizations

[Brian37]

Aoi Magi

Rofl
So because of a hundred year old myth, a million year old process must be false.

Them saying it's a myth, doesn't make it a myth.

Jesster

Even if you don't trust the currently accepted history of anything, it's still not rational to then plug in your own random story to fill the gap.

It's a leap of faith. Rational explanation fails sometimes. Just like sleeping; nobody knows why we do it.

BrianSoddingBoru4

 

Stories are told about Atlantis because Atlantis is just that, a story (more specifically, an allegory) created by Plato.

Morphologically and genetically, we are apes.

The notion of advanced civilizations predating (roughly) the eighth millennium BCE isn't supported by the current state of the evidence.

The Christian Church crucified and burned people who talked about a "notion" different than the accepted biblical context for the history of mankind.

They too were so sure.

Plato talked about Atlantis, but Hindus talked about this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vimana

Ancient Egyptians:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saqqara_Bird

The idea always tickled the minds of humans. Why are we the only successful ones, while the ancients aren't?
Humans will keep trying. 

mh.brewer

The conclusion for how they came to be is still a matter of "what if". Nobody knows. Just "speculations".

Jormungandr

You have to dig deep to find truth, youtube content is made by people after all. Some did their research quite well. But I agree, there's too much crap around in the site.

Khemikal

The current "story" give a group of humanoid apes and naked decedents of neanderthals, who magically "saw the light of civilization" and started to build pyramids.



Today, we have modern technology and tools. From shaping the stones to possibly transport them, it's very challenging to build structures on the top of mountains or pyramids perfectly aligned with the stars.

Minimalist

Interesting, first time I read about this, thanks for the info , Min.

Brian37

It's not like the source of these theories is the same; I don't have to believe in other strange theories just because I believe in one of them. 


vorlon13

Isn't that the big leather chair ? dope, but if you exhausted your body in healthy natural activities, a simple bed will be a luxury that is as comfortable as the chair.

They don't need big screens, they see nature everyday.


downbeatplump

China had brilliant inventions in the past, in warfare they even had flamethrowers and rockets, if the man lifting kites are there, why wouldn't there be a larger flight mechanism? The Chinese civilization is strange to the whole region, I really wonder about what influenced it, for example the ancient Romans got everything they knew from Etruscans, who came before the Chinese ?

The culture has a different taste, the concentration on some elements make me wonder.

Thank you downbeatplump for the kite info. 

Silent Snob

The problems we have today, are mainly caused by people who never learned from the past.

Atlas, I don't give favor to the word "belief" one bit, I could care less if your "belief" leads you to claim Allah or Jesus or Thor or claim that JFK was murdered by the mob, or that 9/11 was an inside job, or claims of vampires. When one has knowledge backed up by FACTS you don't have to believe, you know, and when you know, you can demonstrate it and back it up with facts. Facts are not beliefs, facts are demonstrable and provable and that is what gives humans knowledge. 

I don't have to merely "believe" in computers, I know they exist because they are demonstrable FACTS of reality. I could care less what you "believe" I do care about what you claim to know and what FACTS you have to back up that knowledge. Claims are like assholes, everyone has one. 

There are lots of nutty alien claims linked to all sorts of ancient cultures, Mayans, Egyptian, Atlantis, even new age crap like Heaven's Gate. That entire explosion of alien claims was more a result of rural ignorance surrounding military bases back during WW2 when people saw new technology when they were not supposed to and confused that with being alien ships. It's conspiracy crap on par with 9/11 crap. Conspiracy crap works backwards where the buyer tries to retrofit new bullshit claims to science and or old mythology. 

Now, if you want a more realistic and scientific view of what we might prove in the future, scientists know that the atoms on earth are plentiful throughout the universe. We also know some species of life can survive extreme conditions, like the water bear, which is microscopic and can survive up to 350 degrees below zero and up to 400 degrees above zero. A more realistic view would also be the shear number of galaxies to the tune of 150 billion known so far, which would constitute billions of stars each, which would constitute even more planets. I have no doubt we will eventually prove that microbial life can live, say on Mars if we were to send it to a colder part of the planet. 

But no, I don't buy the ancient alien garbage of any flavor. I don't think any human like life has visited us because we are so remote and  the distances involved if we were to even just communicate, if ever would still be stuck locally to a greater or lesser degree like we are. 

There is a huge difference between what REAL scientists say about the probability and likelihood of other life existing outside our solar system and galaxy, vs isi fi TV and social media garbage.

[WinterHold]

So, everybody's out of step except Johnny.

The ancient astronaut theory is not sufficient; he is out of context.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So, everybody's out of step except Johnny.

The ancient astronaut theory is not sufficient; he is out of context.

Swooshed you, didn't I.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

*sigh* This sort of thing happens every time someone thinks they're the first person to read von Däniken.

Boru

[Brian37]

So, everybody's out of step except Johnny.

The ancient astronaut theory is not sufficient; he is out of context.

It is not a theory anymore than creationism can replace evolution.

We have not been visited by little green men. The Mayans were not, the Egyptians were not and Atlantis is a myth. And the Heavens Gate morons needlessly committed suicide because their head asshole convinced them a spaceship was hiding behind a comet.

[The Grand Nudger]

Khemikal

The current "story" give a group of humanoid apes and naked decedents of neanderthals, who magically "saw the light of civilization" and started to build pyramids.

Who told you that?  

Today, we have modern technology and tools. From shaping the stones to possibly transport them, it's very challenging to build structures on the top of mountains or pyramids perfectly aligned with the stars.

They didn't have our tech (tech and tools would be redundent in context).  It was more challenging to them, then.  I'm just not seeing the point here?

[WinterHold]

Atlas, I don't give favor to the word "belief" one bit, I could care less if your "belief" leads you to claim Allah or Jesus or Thor or claim that JFK was murdered by the mob, or that 9/11 was an inside job, or claims of vampires. When one has knowledge backed up by FACTS you don't have to believe, you know, and when you know, you can demonstrate it and back it up with facts. Facts are not beliefs, facts are demonstrable and provable and that is what gives humans knowledge. 

I don't have to merely "believe" in computers, I know they exist because they are demonstrable FACTS of reality. I could care less what you "believe" I do care about what you claim to know and what FACTS you have to back up that knowledge. Claims are like assholes, everyone has one. 

There are lots of nutty alien claims linked to all sorts of ancient cultures, Mayans, Egyptian, Atlantis, even new age crap like Heaven's Gate. That entire explosion of alien claims was more a result of rural ignorance surrounding military bases back during WW2 when people saw new technology when they were not supposed to and confused that with being alien ships. It's conspiracy crap on par with 9/11 crap. Conspiracy crap works backwards where the buyer tries to retrofit new bullshit claims to science and or old mythology. 

Now, if you want a more realistic and scientific view of what we might prove in the future, scientists know that the atoms on earth are plentiful throughout the universe. We also know some species of life can survive extreme conditions, like the water bear, which is microscopic and can survive up to 350 degrees below zero and up to 400 degrees above zero. A more realistic view would also be the shear number of galaxies to the tune of 150 billion known so far, which would constitute billions of stars each, which would constitute even more planets. I have no doubt we will eventually prove that microbial life can live, say on Mars if we were to send it to a colder part of the planet. 

But no, I don't buy the ancient alien garbage of any flavor. I don't think any human like life has visited us because we are so remote and  the distances involved if we were to even just communicate, if ever would still be stuck locally to a greater or lesser degree like we are. 

There is a huge difference between what REAL scientists say about the probability and likelihood of other life existing outside our solar system and galaxy, vs isi fi TV and social media garbage.

The story used to cover secret new military tech, the manufacturer blew the story and tin-foils did the rest. 

The amount of investment put in the strengthen of military tech is enormous and scary, speaking of which it's not just brute-force that gained a boost after WW2, also intelligence and tactics took their share of boost, 9/11 had explanations that took that boost into account, war has changed.

As for "aliens", it's hard for me personally to believe the above, then believe in aliens; Brian. Though, all I can think of logically is that aliens in the form presented by the media are just the imagination of an author somewhere, looking like us, having fingers like us, skin like us, well that's just "too" human to be "alien".

Gawdzilla Sama

*...* didn't move.

BrianSoddingBoru4

I was moved by him when I was little younger, but more disappointments followed every time I search for the info provided in Ancient Aliens, attacking and shaming the human mind as being incapable of thinking outside the box by itself, is quite insulting. We don't need aliens.

Brian37

It is not a theory anymore than creationism can replace evolution.

We have not been visited by little green men. The Mayans were not, the Egyptians were not and Atlantis is a myth. And the Heavens Gate morons needlessly committed suicide because their head asshole convinced them a spaceship was hiding behind a comet.

Their civilization are an evidence for the limits a human brain would travel to find a God behind the complex system of the universe.
The Mayans were obsessed with the stars for a reason.

Khemikal

Who told you that?  

Darwin and lots of evolution believers

They didn't have our tech (tech and tools would be redundent in context).  It was more challenging to them, then.  I'm just not seeing the point here?

Zero possibility is what astonishes me; I'm not being sarcastic because the locations and the structures just cannot be without modern tech, that's the point

[Mr Greene]

Shifting the blocks may be difficult with our tech, but that doesn't hold true for neolithic know-how. pivots, wedges and rollers are sufficient.

[Jesster]

It's a leap of faith. Rational explanation fails sometimes. Just like sleeping; nobody knows why we do it.

"Nobody knows why..." is not a failure of rationality. Admitting you don't know creates the opportunity to seek out the right answer. Filling in the blank with fantasy bullshit to make you feel better is what closes off your mind to finding the truth.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I was moved by him when I was little younger, but more disappointments followed every time I search for the info provided in Ancient Aliens, attacking and shaming the human mind as being incapable of thinking outside the box by itself, is quite insulting. We don't need aliens.

But yet you feel the need to ascribe some kind of nebulous super-technology to our own ancestors in order to build the simplest of all large structures, the pyramid. FWIW, most of the blocks making up Khufu's pyramid weight about one tonne. This is not an insurmountable problem for a gang of a dozen workers equipped with ropes and log rollers.

Boru