America's obsession with guns

[Isis]

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Couldn't the same logic be applied to the drug war?

It could, but that would be a mistake Gun control crowd. The war on drugs has been an abysmal failure.

I just got two tax stamps back from the ATF last week and finished putting these together last night. The top one is a 5.56. It has a Seekins upper and lower, 12" Seekins MCSR hand guard, SD tactical brake (for the coming one of these days SD tactical Form 1 titanium suppressor) Seekins adjustable gas block, 14.5" FN made M249 spec barrel, Rubber City M16 spec bolt carrier and bolt, BCM charging handle, pistol grip, buffer tube and stock, Giessele SD-C trigger and twisted wire buffer spring, Mepro M-21 optic and Magpul Pro off set BUIS.

The stand alone upper goes on lower number 1. Aero upper, same MCSR hand guard, Noveske 8.5" 300 Blackout barrel with the SD Tactical brake (for the other coming one of these days SD tactical Form 1 titanium suppressor), EOTech 512 optic and MI BUIS.

The bottom one is an 11.5" budget (except for the Geissele SSA trigger and Aimpoint H-1 optic) build I did for Mama so she could have something light. It's just a tad over 6 lbs with the optic and BUIS. One of these days I may swap out the barrel for something with a light weight profile. That might shave off another .5 lbs.

There is about $3500 laying on that table. I don't think they are sexy. I do appreciate them for the precision machines they are and take some amount of pride in the work I did selecting the parts, assembling them and once I get them to the range tuning them to run.



I don't leave them or any of my other guns laying around the house loaded or unloaded. Every one of them is unloaded and locked in safe. While I don't support bans on any kind of small arms or accessories there are a host of more restrictive gun regulations I would support. For example I think flagging people on the no fly list in the NICS database is an extraordinarily good idea. Just not without a process for someone with such a flag to appeal the decision to put them there. Which by the way was the stated reason the legislation to add flags for people on the no fly list couldn't get passed the last time it was proposed. The government didn't want to have to defend their reason for flagging someone to begin with.

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Nice! ^_^

[mlmooney89]

I have no idea why Americans are obsessed with guns

[The Grand Nudger]

Won't happen. The only pragmatic thing EVERYONE should want, is to insure the gun shops and gun makers do a better job of preventing ANYONE, even without a record, but say with mental illness, domestic problems, work place problems and religious grudges, because those people can have no record at time of buy or they can borrow or steel it from family or neighbor. We don't vet well enough, but no, it is bullshit to say you an rid the entire nation of handguns.

b-mine.

That would be precognitive and preemptive screening......and if we were capable of that then there'd be no need for specific gun screening...as there would be no crime successfully committed in this world............but other than that - solid idea.  Though I wonder how much gun death you, personally, reckon can be attributed to "crazy with a gun".  

I am for banning anything that is high capacity and high speed handgun or riffle. 

-aaaaand that's why my poor little 22lr keeps being classified an "assault weapon" - whilst the intended "assault weapons" almost inexplicably remain unlegislated against.  

I am no victim, but I am sick of seeing this shit in the news, even out here in the middle of nowhere and have the assholes on the right think gun violence is strictly a black urban vs white cop issue. It is a public safety issue in every fucking county in both blue and red states, and gun violence is affecting everyone of both parties in both the middle class and poor. It should not be party issue but only one Party is stuck in the fucking wild west days and only one lobby is holding the entire nation hostage. The GOP and NRA wont even fucking admit that most Americans INCLUDING most gun owners want a universal background check. 

The only loophole to the current background check is that it doesn't apply to peer to peer sales.  If that loophole were closed, there would be a universal background check in this country.  That one exists..though, not so much because of gun laws as because of property laws.   

And I could care less if you think I misunderstood you. Again, NEVER claimed to be a victim. But Newtown, San Bernadino, Va Tech, Pulse Orlando. And the worst part is even long before Columbine, back in 1984 in San Ysidro a mentally ill man named James Huberty murdered 21 people in a McDonalds. The sad part is that this is also NOT the majority of gun injury and death. Most gun injury and death is still in the home. 

Absolutely, while mass shootings are a statistically irrelevant slice of gun death overall - the majority of gun death and injury -is- in the home.  Suicide.  I'd be willing to classify this one as "crazy with a gun", if you are.  Better mental healthcare would probably be able to identify and create those records, the ones that don't currently exist - and it's a hell of alot easier (I hope) to establish a more broadly accessible and acceptable mental healthcare system than it is to establish a pre-crime unit at every point of sale.  

Two big things that would fix this real quick, allow the shops and factories to be sued, not to put them out of business, but to force them to be careful as to whom they sell them to. Gun insurance. Just like car insurance. It pays the medical bills, even in cases of accident or theft.

They can be and have been sued..successfully.  Manufacturers sell to licensed retailers directly and in bulk, not the average joe - and when they do sell, they must comply with all the same restrictions but cannot make use of the peer to peer transfer loophole.  If you really need someone to point the finger at, perhaps it should be the people committing the crimes?

[brewer]

Because a lot of Americans are sexually repressed ammosexuals.  They don't give a fuck that children get killed every day by guns.  All they care is about getting their erection, and then their climax when the bullets come out of that chamber.

I'm just glad my children have common sense, and don't have guns in their homes, and don't let their children go to people's houses if they own guns and don't lock them away.

HAH! Nice analogy. Can I climax all over your target? You'll have to wait until I unlock my chastity belt. 

Um......... are we locking up the guns or the kids? hehehe

[NuclearEnergy]

Couldn't the same logic be applied to the drug war?

It could, but that would be a mistake Gun control crowd. The war on drugs has been an abysmal failure.

I just got two tax stamps back from the ATF last week and finished putting these together last night. The top one is a 5.56. It has a Seekins upper and lower, 12" Seekins MCSR hand guard, SD tactical brake (for the coming one of these days SD tactical Form 1 titanium suppressor) Seekins adjustable gas block, 14.5" FN made M249 spec barrel, Rubber City M16 spec bolt carrier and bolt, BCM charging handle, pistol grip, buffer tube and stock, Giessele SD-C trigger and twisted wire buffer spring, Mepro M-21 optic and Magpul Pro off set BUIS.

The stand alone upper goes on lower number 1. Aero upper, same MCSR hand guard, Noveske 8.5" 300 Blackout barrel with the SD Tactical brake (for the other coming one of these days SD tactical Form 1 titanium suppressor), EOTech 512 optic and MI BUIS.

The bottom one is an 11.5" budget (except for the Geissele SSA trigger and Aimpoint H-1 optic) build I did for Mama so she could have something light. It's just a tad over 6 lbs with the optic and BUIS. One of these days I may swap out the barrel for something with a light weight profile. That might shave off another .5 lbs.

There is about $3500 laying on that table. I don't think they are sexy. I do appreciate them for the precision machines they are and take some amount of pride in the work I did selecting the parts, assembling them and once I get them to the range tuning them to run.



I don't leave them or any of my other guns laying around the house loaded or unloaded. Every one of them is unloaded and locked in safe. While I don't support bans on any kind of small arms or accessories there are a host of more restrictive gun regulations I would support. For example I think flagging people on the no fly list in the NICS database is an extraordinarily good idea. Just not without a process for someone with such a flag to appeal the decision to put them there. Which by the way was the stated reason the legislation to add flags for people on the no fly list couldn't get passed the last time it was proposed. The government didn't want to have to defend their reason for flagging someone to begin with.

Those are some nice arms!

[Thumpalumpacus]

I really just do not understand this obsession of guns that borders on the erotic. How come when someone even says a peep of common sense gun control the second amendment crowd absolutely loses their minds? They say that it won't stop criminals, and criminals don't follow the law. Couldn't the same logic be applied to the drug war?

Of course. It's why they're both failures: criminals by definition are less likely to follow any given law.

[Jesster]

Cool thread. Here's my American gun.

[Neo-Scholastic]

P.S. I do not own a gun because I'm a wossy.

[Minimalist]

The conservatards don't have to get their hands dirty.  They have cops to shoot rioters.... or peaceful protesters.  Whoever needs shooting, eh?

[Anomalocaris]

I really just do not understand this obsession of guns that borders on the erotic.

Americans needs to make up for the difference between the virility they think they ought to show, and the sorry little vestigial organ, like an external appendix, that they have, with a tool designed to enable the unmanly to talk big.