Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him

[henryp]

Like Hitler, Trump is a morally reprehensible person with a deranged mind.  There are meaningful parallels between Trump and Hitler.  The only one I've ever heard say Trump is just like Hitler is you, wallym.   You make a pretty good argument against a position no one I know holds, and I despise Trump.

Are the parallels meaningful though?  Does Trump having the slogan Make America Great Again, and Hitler sometimes saying Make Germany Great Again in speeches mean anything?  Bill Clinton said "I believe we can make america great again" during his presidential announcement speech.  In fact, I'd guess every politician from the party not in power pledges something along those lines.  That's the premise.  The other side is doing it wrong, elect me, I'll start doing it right again!

So my question is, if someone is making a list of similarities that includes that phrase, is it because both using the phrase is a meaningful parallel that adds to the argument of troubling similarities? Or is it because people have dogshit for brains.

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Like Hitler, Trump is a morally reprehensible person with a deranged mind.  There are meaningful parallels between Trump and Hitler.  The only one I've ever heard say Trump is just like Hitler is you, wallym.   You make a pretty good argument against a position no one I know holds, and I despise Trump.

What was that Khemikal?

[The Grand Nudger]

It was circular use, didn't your boy Spicey explain it, before there were no spiceys left to come for?

[henryp]

Trump's slogan was Make America Great Again. 

Hitler said Make Germany great again sometimes in his speeches.

That makes them way more "Just like" each other, than Trump's lack of mass murder makes them "Not really alike."

Yup, that's it, that's all..and there's nothing more to add.  

No there's so much more.  Both had opinions on immigration.  Not very often you find that.  Trump wants to deport people in America illegally.  Just like Hitler wanted them dead.  Eerily similar how they both wanted to do things to people.  

And they both were saying that they wanted to put the country they were in charge of first.  Usually world leaders are looking to put their country 6th at most.  Usually, 11th or 12th.  So already it stands out.   And the fact Trump wants to renegotiate trade deals, just like Hitler wanted to invade and conquer the world makes me glad Hitler had a mustache so I could tell them apart.

And if you don't think a temporary travel ban against Muslims from 5 muslim countries is just like rounding up a few million jews and killing them, then you'd have to have your head in the sand.

It's all so obvious.  I take it all back.  I'm convinced.  Trump really is just like Hitler.  Holy shit, both have 5 letters in their name, except Hitler has an extra one at the end.  The evidence becomes more incontrovertible!!!

[Whateverist]

Like Hitler, Trump is a morally reprehensible person with a deranged mind.  There are meaningful parallels between Trump and Hitler.  The only one I've ever heard say Trump is just like Hitler is you, wallym.   You make a pretty good argument against a position no one I know holds, and I despise Trump.

Are the parallels meaningful though?  Does Trump having the slogan Make America Great Again, and Hitler sometimes saying Make Germany Great Again in speeches mean anything?  Bill Clinton said "I believe we can make america great again" during his presidential announcement speech.  In fact, I'd guess every politician from the party not in power pledges something along those lines.  That's the premise.  The other side is doing it wrong, elect me, I'll start doing it right again!

So my question is, if someone is making a list of similarities that includes that phrase, is it because both using the phrase is a meaningful parallel that adds to the argument of troubling similarities? Or is it because people have dogshit for brains.

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Like Hitler, Trump is a morally reprehensible person with a deranged mind.  There are meaningful parallels between Trump and Hitler.  The only one I've ever heard say Trump is just like Hitler is you, wallym.   You make a pretty good argument against a position no one I know holds, and I despise Trump.

What was that Khemikal?

Instead of finding potentially weak analogies why not look for ones that count?  Here is one for you:  like Hitler, Trump is against a free press (which he undermines by calling it phony) and engages in the spread of disinformation (alternative facts, if you prefer).  He lacks the power to simply jail reporters and take over their operation, but if it were in his power, how much restraint do you think he'd show?  He has successfully made many of his ignorant supporters doubt the press, though that didn't begin with him.  Trump, like Hitler, would like to control what people think and wish to suppress opposition.

[bennyboy]

Are the parallels meaningful though?  

No. Trump wants to be Hitler, but Hitler would have fucking hated that weak piece of shit.

Nevertheless, the parallel is valid enough-- if trump could have brown-shirts and SS supporting him, he'd very obviously do it in a second.

[The Grand Nudger]

Hitler, like trump, appealed to a disaffected and stagnant class of majority citizens, blaming other ethnic groups and nations for their problems. Problems that only his personal experience, his struggle, could solve.  He, like trump, was paired up with an establishment stalwart as a moderating influence, after campaigning on a brand of authoritarian ethnic nationalism that his base was traditionally amenable to in the first place.

Shall we talk about trump and hitlers travel bans, or each man's respective love of concentration camps?

Hey, how about each man's collusion with the soviets........

[Thumpalumpacus]

It takes willful blindness to avoid seeing some of the parallels.

I don't think Trump is "just like" Hitler, but he's certainly stolen some pages from the Corporal's playbook -- plumping up fears in order to boost his appeal; identifying auslanders as a problem needing a "solution", be it Final or not; stoking racism and xenophobia as tools for political gain; putting his own interests above the interests of the state.

On the other hand, Trump is nowhere near as canny as Herr Hitler was. Say what you will, the latter was a genius for politics ... while Trump would have a difficult time leading a platoon to a latrine if it were suffering amoebic dysentery.

[The Grand Nudger]

Exactly, the paralells end at the point of competence.  I don't know if that's a point in trumps favor..or another against him...but that low energy loser and his limp wristed popular vote loss would have made the real fuhrer jump into the ovens out of frustration.  Squandering all of that bigotry and fear..for what, a tax cut for the rich, -if- they can ever get their shit together.  

It could have been huge.  Sad.

[henryp]

Instead of finding potentially weak analogies why not look for ones that count?  Here is one for you:  like Hitler, Trump is against a free press (which he undermines by calling it phony) and engages in the spread of disinformation (alternative facts, if you prefer).  He lacks the power to simply jail reporters and take over their operation, but if it were in his power, how much restraint do you think he'd show?  He has successfully made many of his ignorant supporters doubt the press, though that didn't begin with him.  Trump, like Hitler, would like to control what people think and wish to suppress opposition.

Yeah, he lies a lot.  If you like your healthcare you can keep it.  I did not have sex with that woman.  I am not a crook.  Saddam has WMD's.   I assume every single politician in american history is a liar (or spreader of disinformation if you prefer).  Seems weird to link that behavior to Hitler, though?  Seems to me, the disingenuous intent is once again to say because of this, he's just as evil as Hitler.  If that's not the intent, why would you pick Hitler for the comparison?  It's not like people say "You know what I really don't like about Hitler?  He was such a phony baloney."

And the same goes for being against free press.  Hitler shut it all down.  Trump responds negatively to bad press, sometimes calling the stories phony.  Of course, sometimes the press pretends to be getting shot at (Brian Williams) or passes on fake documents without proper vetting (Dan Rather) or prints just about anything as long as some anonymous source said it, and if it turns out to be false, doesn't matter, we've got a new anonymous source telling  us something new.  Which all ignores the liberties that is taken framing the stories.  And that's the good press.  It doesn't even address the true phony press that is Fox News/MSNBC/Huffington Post/ETC... that have no journalistic standards whatsoever.  

But all that aside, it's again what all politicians do.  If something is negative, it's a witch hunt.  It's lies.  The story is wrong.  From now all the way back to forever.  But instead of all of them, again, for some reason, the comparison is to Hitler, who went far beyond 'undermining the press' by calling them phony.  It's a weird choice for a comparison.  I assume they want the implication that if he could, he'd do just what Hitler did.  But that's just a guess, right?  I think he threatens to sue them, and doesn't even bother following through on that.  Although Melania sued the Daily Mail and won that one.  

The point being, comparisons to Hitler "That count" have to be so generic and unspecific that you could say the same thing about everyone.  There's nothing particularly special about Trump as it relates to his likeness to Hitler.  Doesn't Trump a good man.  Doesn't make him a good president.  But for whatever reason, instead of having a very easy to win argument that Trump is a shithead, people bring Hitler into the debate, and force reasonable folks to be on the other side of the argument for no reason.

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It takes willful blindness to avoid seeing some of the parallels.

I don't think Trump is "just like" Hitler, but he's certainly stolen some pages from the Corporal's playbook -- plumping up fears in order to boost his appeal; identifying auslanders as a problem needing a "solution", be it Final or not; stoking racism and xenophobia as tools for political gain; putting his own interests above the interests of the state.

On the other hand, Trump is nowhere near as canny as Herr Hitler was. Say what you will, the latter was a genius for politics ... while Trump would have a difficult time leading a platoon to a latrine if it were suffering amoebic dysentery.

My argument would be that these are incredibly generic political strategies that have been used since governments were formed, and the fact that Hitler did some of them as well doesn't make them nefarious to the degree people are implying when they are drawing 'meaningful parallels'.

A venn diagram would be good. What things would have Trump, Hitler, and not many other modern world leaders? My guess is there'd be very little outside the main bubble for anybody but the truly crazy.

[Thumpalumpacus]

My argument would be that these are incredibly generic political strategies that have been used since governments were formed, and the fact that Hitler did some of them as well doesn't make them nefarious to the degree people are implying when they are drawing 'meaningful parallels'.

No, they're not generic. Some politicians use them, others don't. Which tools a politician prefers to use can tell you much about him or her.

Another, which I forgot to mention but which Trump avails himself regularly, is the "Big Lie", mastered by Goebbels.

Also, the Rant. They both use that to good effect.

But really, the reason for the drawing of parallels lies in the willingness to castigate an entire group of people in order to attain political success ... never mind the people who are hurt in the process.

A venn diagram would be good.  What things would have Trump, Hitler, and not many other modern world leaders?  My guess is there'd be very little outside the main bubble for anybody but the truly crazy.

Get to work, then -- make your own case.