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RE: My question to pro-choice supporters
July 8, 2017 at 9:00 am
(July 8, 2017 at 8:58 am)chimp3 Wrote: The issue of abortion is not a male issue unless the women chooses to involve him. If a man does not want to be involved in the pro-choice vs. pro-life debate he can wear a condom. If he does not wear a condom then he is willfully participating in the reproductive act. I don't understand why this is complicated. Take responsibility.
The woman can be irresponsible and opt out of parenthood via abortion, yet the man cannot opt out of parenthood?
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RE: My question to pro-choice supporters
July 8, 2017 at 9:01 am
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@Chimp
No, he's willfully participating in a sex act. Here we go again.
If a girl isn't on the slut pill, or doesn't make her partner wear a sin sin sock, then she willfully participated in the reproductive act. She should take some responsibility.
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RE: My question to pro-choice supporters
July 8, 2017 at 9:17 am
(July 8, 2017 at 9:00 am)Lutrinae Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 8:58 am)chimp3 Wrote: The issue of abortion is not a male issue unless the women chooses to involve him. If a man does not want to be involved in the pro-choice vs. pro-life debate he can wear a condom. If he does not wear a condom then he is willfully participating in the reproductive act. I don't understand why this is complicated. Take responsibility.
The woman can be irresponsible and opt out of parenthood via abortion, yet the man cannot opt out of parenthood?
Right! It's a private property issue. If she does not want to rent to a baby she can issue an eviction notice. If the man puts a down payment on a baby then he has signed a mortgage contract. Think of his sperm as an earnest deposit.
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RE: My question to pro-choice supporters
July 8, 2017 at 9:21 am
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RE: My question to pro-choice supporters
July 8, 2017 at 9:33 am
(July 8, 2017 at 9:21 am)Lutrinae Wrote: ![[Image: c7525c5a148872f6cee914d6d2bcd742.jpg]](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/600x315/c7/52/5c/c7525c5a148872f6cee914d6d2bcd742.jpg) Are you calling me otterly ridiculous?
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RE: My question to pro-choice supporters
July 8, 2017 at 10:23 am
(July 8, 2017 at 8:58 am)chimp3 Wrote: The issue of abortion is not a male issue unless the women chooses to involve him. If a man does not want to be involved in the pro-choice vs. pro-life debate he can wear a condom. If he does not wear a condom then he is willfully participating in the reproductive act. I don't understand why this is complicated. Take responsibility.
I somehow get the sense you back-pedaled against this on the next page.
Khem, somehow I get the impression you're an undercover theist just fucking with us. Otherwise you can't possibly be this disconnected from reality.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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RE: My question to pro-choice supporters
July 8, 2017 at 10:47 am
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Children need support. Nature doesn't really care about de jure equality, but I suppose the only real answer would be a precoital agreement, in writing, signed by both parties.
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RE: My question to pro-choice supporters
July 8, 2017 at 10:50 am
(July 8, 2017 at 10:47 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Children need support. Nature doesn't really care about de jure legality, but I suppose the only real answer would be a precoital agreement, in writing, signed by both parties.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If the law allowed for men to just opt out, I'd require a signed agreement from everyone I have sex with. Kind of a mood killer if you ask me.
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RE: My question to pro-choice supporters
July 8, 2017 at 11:31 am
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(July 8, 2017 at 10:50 am)Aliza Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 10:47 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Children need support. Nature doesn't really care about de jure legality, but I suppose the only real answer would be a precoital agreement, in writing, signed by both parties.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If the law allowed for men to just opt out, I'd require a signed agreement from everyone I have sex with. Kind of a mood killer if you ask me.
Doesn't have to be. The discussion and agreement could happen entirely separate from the intimacy, seems to me, just as a prenup is made well in advance of vows.
ETA: Note that in my previous post, I meant to write "equality", not "legality". I have edited it to that effect.
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RE: My question to pro-choice supporters
July 8, 2017 at 11:51 am
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(July 8, 2017 at 10:50 am)Aliza Wrote: (July 8, 2017 at 10:47 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Children need support. Nature doesn't really care about de jure legality, but I suppose the only real answer would be a precoital agreement, in writing, signed by both parties.
That's exactly what I was thinking. If the law allowed for men to just opt out, I'd require a signed agreement from everyone I have sex with. Kind of a mood killer if you ask me. Hey, you have that right. You;d probably get takers if you drew up a contract stating that anyone who had sex with you also agreed to have a baby with you (you currently don't have too...huh, lol?).....but anyone who didn't like that fine print could opt out with full knowledge, and so there would be equality where now there is none.
@Thump.
It's true, nature doesn't care about equality. Nature doesn't care whether I skullfuck my neighbor either. Our laws do. Even if a guy could opt out there still wouldn't be full equality, he still couldn't force her to abort -or- to carry a child that was putatively "his", just more than there is now. To take an earlier analogy..she'd still be in the drivers seat...but if she was deadset on driving the car into a tree...he could tuck and roll.
@ Astonished
Add that to the pile of strange ideas you have?
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