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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 1:39 am
(July 13, 2017 at 1:36 am)vorlon13 Wrote: (July 12, 2017 at 2:53 pm)Dropship Wrote: Try as I might, I can't see anything backward in this, or am I missing something?-
Paul said- "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
It's not so much Paul is backwards, it's that he is committing heresy.
He was never authorized to countermand Jesus. Jesus would have (and did !) simply uttered His doctrine correctly in the first place, obviating any need for Paul to change anything.
Yeshua preached the Nazarene doctrine; Paul preached the Christian doctrine. They are not the same doctrines.
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 1:44 am
Paul preached a religion about Jesus.
Jesus preached His religion.
Please try to understand the significance of the difference.
One is heresy (or worse) and the other is God given, God inspired, and God approved.
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 2:06 am
(July 13, 2017 at 1:39 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (July 13, 2017 at 1:36 am)vorlon13 Wrote: It's not so much Paul is backwards, it's that he is committing heresy.
He was never authorized to countermand Jesus. Jesus would have (and did !) simply uttered His doctrine correctly in the first place, obviating any need for Paul to change anything.
Yeshua preached the Nazarene doctrine; Paul preached the Christian doctrine. They are not the same doctrines.
I'm not sure what the doctrine of the city of Nazareth is, but I think what's really happening here is that Christians are confusing the words "Nazarite" (one who upholds the Nazarite laws) with "Nazarene" (one who is from the city of Nazareth.) Really, it's a homophone. The words sound similar, but they mean different things and they're spelled differently.
I think the NT states that Jesus was from Nazareth, but that's not the same as being a Nazarite. We can easily demonstrate that Jesus wasn't a Nazarite (like Sampson) because he drank wine, and wine would be prohibited for Nazarites.
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 2:06 am
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Vorls, But both equally bullshit? Or have I got that wrong?
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 4:37 am
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(July 12, 2017 at 3:48 pm)Dropship Wrote: Firstly, the word 'servant' translated from Greek is 'doulos' and can mean either a slave, servant, or bond-servant (similar to indentured servant).
Why stop there? Why not simply invent what ever word you want to be there considering there is no single authoritative Greek text from which all translations and versions of Bibles are made. At no time did the original manuscripts of the 27 books of the NT ever reside between the covers of one particular book. Nobody today has the original writings themselves, every book in the Bible was originally written on perishable materials which only lasted few years. All that survived are transcriptions of those texts that were constantly changed by scribes.
(July 12, 2017 at 3:48 pm)Dropship Wrote: And Moses bust an Egyptian slave-drivers ass
So what? Moses was far worse toward women and children whom he killed in many brutal ways, so does that mean he was generally against women and children? Well, perhaps considering he did say that people can sell their daughters as slaves and women in his laws are equated with slaves.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 7:01 am
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Inkfeather quote- I'm noticing that you didn't respond to my point about genders though, Paul's words clearly show that he believes women are to be subordinate (not equal) to men.
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Sorry if I missed your post, but like I've said before I can't get used to the clunky AF quote/reply rigmarole, or else you missed my reply.
As I pointed out earlier, Paul was simply telling some chatterbox airhead women to shut their traps.
He had no beef with sensible women and said-
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
Fake Messiah quote- every book in the Bible was originally written on perishable materials which only lasted few years. All that survived are transcriptions of those texts that were constantly changed by scribes.
....Moses was far worse toward women and children whom he killed in many brutal ways...
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1- Why on earth would scribes want to change anything?
2- Moses busted the asses of anybody who deserved it, he wasn't some wishy-washy social worker.. 
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 7:56 am
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(July 13, 2017 at 7:01 am)Dropship Wrote: 1- Why on earth would scribes want to change anything?
2- Moses busted the asses of anybody who deserved it, he wasn't some wishy-washy social worker..
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 8:00 am
He's 50% Poe, 50% troll.
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 8:42 am
(July 13, 2017 at 7:01 am)Dropship Wrote: 1- Why on earth would scribes want to change anything?
It's because some scribes couldn't resist the temptation of gratuitous insertions to bring adornments to their texts, adding words and phrases when the original language didn't sound exalted enough, or just seemed to be lacking something.
Now we have that one Gospel say that Jesus was crucified on Thursday while other on Friday. Or Mark's Gospel contains many endings depending on the Bible.
There is even a term called conflation of readings, when scribes of NT confronted different variants of same passages deliberately changed by earlier scribes so that this scribe had to pick one over the other. Usually scribe was afraid of risk of accidentally preserving the wrong version and omitting the genuine reading. So most of them tried to escape their quandary by incorporating both into the new copy.
(July 13, 2017 at 7:01 am)Dropship Wrote: 2- Moses busted the asses of anybody who deserved it
Really? There are reasons to kill women and children. Hmm, who would know. That's why I come to this forum for Christians to "enlighten" me.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 9:14 am
(July 12, 2017 at 2:53 pm)Dropship Wrote: (July 12, 2017 at 9:34 am)Inkfeather132 Wrote: .....The world has moved on from Paul's backwards thinking...
Try as I might, I can't see anything backward in this, or am I missing something?-
Paul said- "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
I think I've found a problem with your point.
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