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To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
#31
RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
(July 29, 2017 at 5:49 am)Succubus Wrote:
(July 28, 2017 at 9:04 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Thomas Nagel is one of the most significant philosophers of the 20th Century. His paper, "What is It Like to be A Bat" was an important contribution to philosophy of mind and is required reading in classes on the subject. Before you start accusing other people of ignorance, you might try reading a book. YouTube is not a substitute for actual study from original sources.

Regarding the highlight: if philosophers would only stick to that sort of shite then I wouldn't have a word of criticism, crack on lads, fill your boots. But this>

"Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False"

He can fuck right off. What's his opinion on thermodynamics, or drug resistant tuberculosis, plasma physics? The moment these characters step outside of their niche they should be kicked in the shins and thrown into a pond.

I evaluate ideas on there merits not the identity of those who have them. Regardless, Nagel is more than qualified to discuss the relationship between the quantitative inquiries of natural science and the qualitative inquires of teleology, value, and experience. If what you say is true then people trained only in the natural sciences would be barred from contributing to any discussions about ethics, aesthetics, linguistics, or logic.
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#32
RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
(July 29, 2017 at 12:33 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(July 29, 2017 at 5:49 am)Succubus Wrote: Regarding the highlight: if philosophers would only stick to that sort of shite then I wouldn't have a word of criticism, crack on lads, fill your boots. But this>

"Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False"

He can fuck right off. What's his opinion on thermodynamics, or drug resistant tuberculosis, plasma physics? The moment  these characters step outside of their niche they should be kicked in the shins and thrown into a pond.

I evaluate ideas on there merits not the identity of those who have them. Regardless, Nagel is more than qualified to discuss the relationship between the quantitative inquiries of natural science and the qualitative inquires of teleology, value, and experience. If what you say is true then people trained only in the natural sciences would be barred from contributing to any discussions about ethics, aesthetics, linguistics, or logic.

I normally don't do this in reply to things unless I'm playing along with a running joke, but...well, just this once, here's a pic retort.

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Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#33
RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
(July 29, 2017 at 1:49 pm)Astonished Wrote:
(July 29, 2017 at 12:33 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I evaluate ideas on there merits not the identity of those who have them. Regardless, Nagel is more than qualified to discuss the relationship between the quantitative inquiries of natural science and the qualitative inquires of teleology, value, and experience. If what you say is true then people trained only in the natural sciences would be barred from contributing to any discussions about ethics, aesthetics, linguistics, or logic.

I normally don't do this in reply to things unless I'm playing along with a running joke, but...well, just this once, here's a pic retort.

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  You don't have any!
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#34
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(August 3, 2017 at 10:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
(July 29, 2017 at 1:49 pm)Astonished Wrote: I normally don't do this in reply to things unless I'm playing along with a running joke, but...well, just this once, here's a pic retort.

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  You don't have any!

Your mom sucked 'em right off. Tell her I expect them cleaned and pressed and on my desk by Friday morning or she owes me anal again, I don't want her getting knocked up again. One of you was too many.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#35
RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
(July 29, 2017 at 10:30 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Science is the study of the physical world, and religion deals with the spiritual realm. Trying to explain things in the physical world through religion is barking up the wrong tree. Just as trying to explain something that deals with spirituality or the supernatural by using the scientific method. I don't expect the existence of God or angels, etc, to be proven through science because those things are not of the physical world and can't be tested.

Except where those things are supposed to affect reality. Then those effects should be at least detectable. Tell me there's an undetectable angel sitting on my shoulder and I don't care. Say that it controls the weather or something and I'm going to ask you how you can know that.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#36
RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
(August 4, 2017 at 6:10 am)Cyberman Wrote:
(July 29, 2017 at 10:30 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Science is the study of the physical world, and religion deals with the spiritual realm. Trying to explain things in the physical world through religion is barking up the wrong tree. Just as trying to explain something that deals with spirituality or the supernatural by using the scientific method. I don't expect the existence of God or angels, etc, to be proven through science because those things are not of the physical world and can't be tested.

Except where those things are supposed to affect reality. Then those effects should be at least detectable. Tell me there's an undetectable angel sitting on my shoulder and I don't care. Say that it controls the weather or something and I'm going to ask you how you can know that.

To add to that, I'd recommend reading (that part of it is pretty short) Richard Dawkins' bit from his book The God Delusion about Steven J. Gould's NOMA (Non-Overlapping Magisteria) concept and its shortcomings.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#37
RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
My husband started to read the God Delusion and said it was trash.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#38
RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
Idiots trying to attack idiots. I am wondering who is less idiotic at this point, I know it is assuredly not the theist . . .
Ut supra, ita inferius
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#39
RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
By the way, Brian, I did watch the whole video. Good stuff. I'd be interested in watching one also that focuses more on the evolution of humans.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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#40
RE: To our Muslim/Christian members & all faiths....
(August 4, 2017 at 5:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My husband started to read the God Delusion and said it was trash.

Did he happen to say why or what about it was trash? Otherwise it just sounds like the kind of bias that proves the point Dawkins was making.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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