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RE: viewing stolen nude photos
August 5, 2017 at 6:08 pm
I had some additional thoughts on this while turning oak boards into sawdust today and I can probably best sum it up with one simple question. Is it immoral to use the metric system?
Its a perfectly valid question. There exists more than one system of measurement therefore one does have a choice. And if we can apply the morality question to things as benign and otherwise harmless as masturbation or eating certain foods or working on Sunday then we can also apply to the question of whether or not millimeters are the tool of the devil.
But just because we can, doesn't mean we should. Because if we choose to apply the label of the word to very benign things, the meaning of the word itself becomes diluted.
Almost everyone considers things like rape and murder and adultery to be fundamentally wrong and for good reason. Each of those things is a huge deal and each can cause irreparable harm to others. So its very appropriate to call the morality of the act into question.
But the moment you choose to apply the word to things that are, for lack of a better way to put it, not nearly as big of a deal, you dilute the meaning of the word and in doing so, you dilute the severity of the acts defined by it.
Doing harm to other people is a very big deal to me. Looking at nude pics of someone who, if we're being honest, stands at least a 50/50 chance of having released said pics on purpose to further their own brand, just doesn't carry the same amount of weight for me no matter how you slice it.
If you want to talk about how appropriate or inappropriate the act is, I think that's a valid conversation. But if you want to apply such a heavy word as morality to it, then you've already established that its a pointless conversation IMO because the act simply does not reach the level required to even invoke the work IMO. We may as well discuss the morality of using the metric system because neither one even remotely approaches the level depravity required to kill another person IMO.
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August 6, 2017 at 11:58 am
Skrong. This is the worst example of equivocation I've seen on these boards in a long while. Fuck.
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August 6, 2017 at 2:12 pm
(August 2, 2017 at 9:54 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: (August 2, 2017 at 12:45 am)FFaith Wrote: Once the pictures are out there, the damage is done and they will exist on the internet being viewed forever. Me not viewing them is not going to make things any better for the actors, so I'm not going to pretend that I have the ability to help them in that situation.
(August 2, 2017 at 7:52 am)ignoramus Wrote: I like exploring technicalities. Our legal system is built on them.
Especially when we introduce morality into any equation.
EG, We generally agree that harming others is immoral.
How is watching a photo of Lawrence's boobs on the net in the privacy of your own home without having any part of its procurement immoral?
Is she slightly more miserable now that one extra person has viewed it? Was she slightly happier just before I viewed it? (assuming I did).
If the answer is no, then how exactly is it immoral (by our definition)? In a biblical thought police way? No? How then?
You guys are sounding like God fearing theists on their high horses. 
(logic and common sense must prevail)
Sweet. So then pedophiles who simply view pictures of children being raped---they don't steal them, don't pay for them, just view them on a site---should not be held accountable, by this logic.
If millions of pedophiles choose not to watch child porn for fear of getting caught, less videos get made and therefore you have less victims. If millions of people decide not to look at the nude celebrity leaks because they think it's wrong, what does that really accomplish? It only takes a few people to do all of these celebrity leaks, right?
Another thing to consider is that these celeb leaks are normalizing nudity and sex a bit more. People in the future who have pics leaked may feel better about it because they may be thinking, almost everyone has pics leaked so it's not that big of a deal. It's not all negative if these leaks help people feel less shame over their own bodies and sex in the future.
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August 6, 2017 at 2:14 pm
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(August 5, 2017 at 1:27 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Late to this thread. As a father of two daughters I apply this rule: What if that was my daughter? I have to say that it is wrong to publish photo's of people given in confidence and without their permission. I am no prude , I just think consent is fundamental.
Yep, this is it right here. Consent is fundamental to sexuality. It isn't right to look at someone's naked body/sex parts without their consent and against their will. It's really no different from peeping tomery. Also, treat women the way you would want others to treat your own daughter.
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RE: viewing stolen nude photos
August 6, 2017 at 2:29 pm
(August 1, 2017 at 3:28 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (August 1, 2017 at 3:18 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Yes and the more people steal these pictures the less likely I am to get a pic from Mrs Pumb to keep me warm when shes at work. "I'm not sending that " shed say, look what happened to "Kim Kardashian".
She got rich and famous while maintaining her stupidity?
But many many people have seen her being rogered in a thorough fashion.
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August 6, 2017 at 2:46 pm
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(August 6, 2017 at 2:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 5, 2017 at 1:27 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Late to this thread. As a father of two daughters I apply this rule: What if that was my daughter? I have to say that it is wrong to publish photo's of people given in confidence and without their permission. I am no prude , I just think consent is fundamental.
Yep, this is it right here. Consent is fundamental to sexuality. It isn't right to look at someone's naked body/sex parts without their consent and against their will. It's really no different from peeping tomery. Also, treat women the way you would want others to treat your own daughter.
If it's really no different from peeping tomery then why not lock everyone up who looked at the celeb pics?
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August 6, 2017 at 4:16 pm
(August 6, 2017 at 2:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 5, 2017 at 1:27 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Late to this thread. As a father of two daughters I apply this rule: What if that was my daughter? I have to say that it is wrong to publish photo's of people given in confidence and without their permission. I am no prude , I just think consent is fundamental.
Yep, this is it right here. Consent is fundamental to sexuality. It isn't right to look at someone's naked body/sex parts without their consent and against their will. It's really no different from peeping tomery. Also, treat women the way you would want others to treat your own daughter.
You're right, consent is fundamental. But the moment you give your consent to allow nude photos of yourself to exist, you have accepted the fact that there is a risk they could end up in public. Sorry but that just goes with the deal. Every man woman and child alive today has seen countless examples of nude photos of people leaking out into public view without their permission. You do not get to pretend that sort of thing does not happen nor do you get to pretend that no one told you it could happen. Therefore if you give your consent to have yourself photographed nude, you agree to accept the consequences should those photos become public. Choices have consequences. Isn't that a lesson every parent is supposed to teach their kids about?
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RE: viewing stolen nude photos
August 6, 2017 at 4:22 pm
Crap. Still no photos! I'm getting blue eye-balls here.
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August 6, 2017 at 7:46 pm
(August 6, 2017 at 4:16 pm)johan Wrote: (August 6, 2017 at 2:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yep, this is it right here. Consent is fundamental to sexuality. It isn't right to look at someone's naked body/sex parts without their consent and against their will. It's really no different from peeping tomery. Also, treat women the way you would want others to treat your own daughter.
You're right, consent is fundamental. But the moment you give your consent to allow nude photos of yourself to exist, you have accepted the fact that there is a risk they could end up in public.
So...that makes it right? That's like saying, every time a woman goes out in form-fitting or provocative clothing, she understands there is a possibility she might be raped, but hey, she deserves what she gets, right?
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August 6, 2017 at 9:39 pm
(August 6, 2017 at 7:46 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: So...that makes it right?
Not at all. That just makes it preventable.
The crime is wrong, I don't agree that it reaches the level of immoral, but I agree its a crime and its wrong. But at the same time I don't feel like I owe anyone an apology if I click on a page and it turns out to have some stolen celebrity photos on it. I also don't think I'd consider it appropriate to banish someone from my life much less banish them to eternal hell fire for doing a google search of said photos.
Pics of kids? Different story. Pics of anyone celebrity or otherwise taken without their knowledge or consent? Also different story. But if you're going to agree to let someone take nudes of you in your home, you do so willing accepting the risk that your boss might see them or your brother or anyone with an internet connection.
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