viewing stolen nude photos

[brewer]

For me, it's simple:

If I leave my house unlocked, that doesn't mean it's okay to rob me.
If I leave my car unlocked, that doesn't mean it's okay to steal my stereo.
If I drop my wallet, that doesn't mean it's okay to steal my cash and credit cards.
If someone is looking fine, that doesn't give me permission to rape them (not that I would entertain such an idea anyway).
And if I take nudes and save them to private cloud storage, that doesn't give someone else permission to hack into that account, steal them, and disseminate them.

These aren't complicated concepts.  They should be uncontroversial.  Coulda, woulda, shoulda may be worthwhile in terms of solidifying one's survival skills because assholes abound, but that's a separate discussion that doesn't change the morality of the acts in question.

And for the record, if I know ahead of time that certain pictures were stolen, then no, I wouldn't look at them.  Consent is very important to me, and knowingly looking at someone's stolen private moments is a violation, and I won't be a party to that if I can help it.

And this is why society makes laws. Not everyone plays by the rules, or at least not my rules.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Also, it's important to remind ourselves strangers doesn't owe us anything(including our privacy).
Harsh reminder yes but it'll only benefit ourselves in the long run.

[Catholic_Lady]

Again, the question on this thread isn't "what should X person have done differently to prevent her nude photos from getting out?" The question is specifically about the morality of the act of looking at stolen pictures of a person's naked body without their consent and against their will. It isn't a question about safety measures.

So unless you are saying that it is not immoral to do this because she should have done X, Y, or Z to prevent it (aka, pass the blame onto her), then I don't see how harping on the coulda woulda shoulda applies to the question being asked here. This isn't complicated.

[Brian37]

For me, it's simple:

If I leave my house unlocked, that doesn't mean it's okay to rob me.
If I leave my car unlocked, that doesn't mean it's okay to steal my stereo.
If I drop my wallet, that doesn't mean it's okay to steal my cash and credit cards.
If someone is looking fine, that doesn't give me permission to rape them (not that I would entertain such an idea anyway).
And if I take nudes and save them to private cloud storage, that doesn't give someone else permission to hack into that account, steal them, and disseminate them.

These aren't complicated concepts.  They should be uncontroversial.  Coulda, woulda, shoulda may be worthwhile in terms of solidifying one's survival skills because assholes abound, but that's a separate discussion that doesn't change the morality of the acts in question.

And for the record, if I know ahead of time that certain pictures were stolen, then no, I wouldn't look at them.  Consent is very important to me, and knowingly looking at someone's stolen private moments is a violation, and I won't be a party to that if I can help it.

And this is why society makes laws. Not everyone plays by the rules, or at least not my rules.

In theory I agree with you 100%. In reality absolutely consent matters. 

But on the web in our age of mass communication it is virtually impossible to scrub it all out after it gets out. You would literally be filling up the prisons with viewers whom might even not know the video was not consensual unless there is a mass report of it being illegal. 

I'm being pragmatic and realistic. Yes go after the criminal who started it, and sure, if it is widely known go after the websites that post it. Going after the viewers is far more complicated. 

But nobody in any case should ever blame the victim.

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't think anyone here is suggesting we go after the viewers in a legal sense. The question is merely about the morality of the viewing. Something can be immoral and not a crime at the same time. Like cheating on your spouse, for example.

[Brian37]

I don't think anyone here is suggesting we go after the viewers in a legal sense. The question is merely about the morality of the viewing. Something can be immoral and not a crime at the same time. Like cheating on your spouse, for example.

I agree, the issue is how do you know? I am not for banning legal porn sites who obey the law. I am saying how would the viewer know if that particular website says it is following law but puts up something stolen anyway? 

That is what I mean by going after the viewer is more complicated.

My point is the the criminal knows, and if the website knows what they post was stolen, those are really the only reasonable people you can pragmatically go after.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

I don't think anyone is saying she should've, could've, done something different. My personal point is, 9 times out of ten I won't be owing anything to whoever that had their pics leaked, so why expect something from me, you know?

Something can be immoral and not a crime at the same time. Like cheating on your spouse, for example.

If a person is married then they owe it to their SO to not cheat with someone else while being in a relationship with each other. I think that's the bare minimum so that's a little different unless we aren't talking about monogamous relationships.

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't think anyone is saying she should've, could've, done something different. My personal point is, 9 times out of ten I won't be owing anything to whoever that had their pics leaked, so why expect something from me, you know?

Something can be immoral and not a crime at the same time. Like cheating on your spouse, for example.

If a person is married then they owe it to their SO to not cheat with someone else while being in a relationship with each other. I think that's the bare minimum so that's a little different unless we aren't talking about monogamous relationships.

Still confused. Are you saying that looking at stolen pictures of another person's naked body against their will is not immoral?

[johan]

If I were single, would it be immoral for me to sleep with a married woman?

[SteelCurtain]

Yes.