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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 28, 2017 at 4:46 pm
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(September 28, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (September 28, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Says the person who still believes in magic.
More childish babble, I have never believed in magic and never will. I do believe in the capabilities of the omnipotent God of creation, much different than magic and some day you will realize this truth, hopefully not to late.
How is it different from magic?
I'll reply to the other stuff later but you believe in the bible and the bible refers to magic ...
Quote:The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "When Pharaoh says to you, 'Perform a miracle,' then say to Aaron, 'Take your staff and throw it down before Pharaoh,' and it will become a snake." So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the LORD commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake. Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts. (Exodus 7:8-11)
You may wiggle out this by referring to them as magic tricks, even though your bible does not say this but it doesn't matter. Because what you believe in is magic. It is the same difference. Whether it's some holy power or some magical power, you believe in something that you think happens in real life even though it would defy all known physical laws but is, and always will be, impossible to explain.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 28, 2017 at 5:58 pm
When you call god-magic magic, Mathilda, it makes god-magic sound dumb. Obviously, god-magic isn't dumb, therefore god magic can't be magic, because magic is dumb.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 28, 2017 at 6:01 pm
It certainly cannot be called god au naturale. If there was anything natural about god, he wouldn't be lumped in with mythology and supernatural.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 28, 2017 at 6:38 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 3:50 pm)Godscreated Wrote: It wasn't meant to be sexist, you just wanted it to be so you could rant, I find that truly childish and pitiful. You may be old in years but you have a very vindictive childish mind that needs to grow up and act responsible.
Your excuse for your own execrable choice of language is rejected. You show your true colours regarding women elsewhere in the thread with your snark about feminists.
I can't possibly top you in the childish department. You're sucking at the teat of a hell-creating god with a fetish for blood sacrifices, and threatening your mortal playmates that if they don't find a teat of their own and latch on, they're gonna be sooooooory.
As for vindictiveness, don't go there. Just don't. Even I don't know how deep that rabbit hole goes.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 28, 2017 at 6:40 pm
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(September 28, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (September 28, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Mathilda Wrote: Says the person who still believes in magic.
More childish babble, I have never believed in magic and never will. I do believe in the capabilities of the omnipotent God of creation, much different than magic and some day you will realize this truth, hopefully not to late.
GC
Magic by a different name, is magic all the same.
Of course you believe in magic, GC. It's the crux of your belief system.
You just call it Something Else. 
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 28, 2017 at 7:20 pm
God/Jesus/Moses/whatever without the magic is like the adventures of Clark Kent: journalist. Or my favourite, the incredible Visible Man.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 28, 2017 at 11:18 pm
(September 28, 2017 at 7:20 pm)Cyberman Wrote: God/Jesus/Moses/whatever without the magic is like the adventures of Clark Kent: journalist. Or my favourite, the incredible Visible Man.
As a corollary of sorts, there's something rather uncompelling about characters who have superpowers but didn't have to work for them. That's why Batman is such a fascinating story -- worked his friggin' butt off. Just can't give a crap about an all-powerful god that's supposedly just out there, somewhere, or its messiah-wannabe kidlet who just pops out miracles whenever the hell he feels like it, with no explanation. Bad writing.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 29, 2017 at 1:56 am
(September 28, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Godscreated Wrote: God is spirit, what that actually is could only be a guess, I do know it means He doesn't have a physical body, being spirit allows Him to be everywhere in all times at all times and contain powers we can not fathom.
So your god is an energy source? Can we harvest it to power our homes? What other example is there for a complex pattern of energy to persist without the use of matter? None. Therefore special pleading. Or you are saying that your god is neither energy nor matter? In which case how does your god interact with the world without energy? And again it's special pleading because you would be making up a entirely new form of ... 'stuff' that has never once been observed and has no plausible way of existing.
(September 28, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Godscreated Wrote: He calls Himself Father because He created us and cares for us in many ways we never see, just like our earthly fathers do or at least the ones who love their children do.
You probably have a feminist agenda against God referring to himself as male
Right so your god isn't actually male you are just imagining it as such. Your justification for calling your god as male can just as much be used to referring to it as female. It's not like your god has a penis, or reproductive organs to use with other goddesses, or has expressed any form of gender identity in your holy babblings.
And if your god is too complex for you to fully understand as a human, because be honest here, how could you fully understand something that is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent as a mere animal? Then referring to it as male is just a useful handle on the concept. So why not pick a female handle if it's just as valid and some people would prefer it?
The fact that your religion forbids this is further evidence that it is a human made form of social control.
(September 28, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Because I have experienced God outside the Bible in my everyday life with Him. God through His grace has given me the knowledge of His existence, that's how relationships work when you want them to be good and lasting.
Yet you have no way of determining whether you actually experienced your god or you imagined it. Hence the reason that you claim that you need faith first, because otherwise the 'evidence' outside the bible won't come. It is indistinguishable from a confidence trick.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 29, 2017 at 2:20 am
(September 29, 2017 at 1:56 am)Mathilda Wrote: And if your god is too complex for you to fully understand as a human, because be honest here, how could you fully understand something that is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent as a mere animal? If we can't understand something, it's the height of conceit to say that we know what it is. In GC's faith-heavy scenario, it would be trivially easy for a malevolent being to give GC a handful of beneficial "signs" that predispose him to belief, and he would not be in a position to know the difference.
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RE: God and the dilemma with unfalsifiability
September 29, 2017 at 7:44 am
(September 28, 2017 at 3:35 pm)Godscreated Wrote: (September 27, 2017 at 4:24 am)Succubus Wrote: His desires, how can an omniscient god have desires? He knew before he created us which of us were destined for hell.
And He still gives you a chance to change your mind, actually many chances. Know what, unknown to you is your eternal outcome, you have a choice and you will make it and have to live with it forever.
GC
And it's just as unknown to you. You just egotistically believe you have the answers.
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