Emotions are intrinsically good and bad

[The Grand Nudger]

This is enlightenment and I will tell you why. 

Oh, will you..lol?  I tell you I'm not enlightened...and your response is..."yes you are"?   Who do you think might be in a better position, between the two of us, to tell you whether or not your comments have somehow enlightened me?  

What is acknowledging the good value and beauty of things and situations?  It is an assessment that helps you make wise choices and decisions. 

Except when it doesn't, or when it does precisely the opposite, ofc.

But what is perceiving good value and beauty?  Well, that is like the holy light of god putting you in a divine state of being and living.  It is a state of mind that goes far beyond simply acknowledging values.  It's like having the beauty and joy of the cosmos surging through you.

Well, I'm not feeling that after having read what you wrote, despite already being capable of perceiving good value and beauty....so..........

[Edwardo Piet]

This guy is a quack.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'm trying to find the pulse here, but all I can distill thusfar is that when he thinks happy thoughts he feels happy.

[Foxaèr]

I'm trying to find the pulse here, but all I can distill thusfar is that when he thinks happy thoughts he feels happy.

It's the basic psychological concept that if one thinks a certain way, one will feel that way. It's certainly not a concept to which I personally prescribe.

[The Grand Nudger]

The power of positive thinking is oversold to the credulous.

[Transcended Dimensions]

How is someone supposed to "get" some idea you have, if you can't clearly and accurately communicate it?

Personally, I thought my sight analogy works very well to get my point across even though it might not be a perfect analogy. We can still use analogies and metaphors to get our points across even though they might not be perfect. They just have to be good enough to get our point across.

This is enlightenment and I will tell you why. 

Oh, will you..lol?  I tell you I'm not enlightened...and your response is..."yes you are"?   Who do you think might be in a better position, between the two of us, to tell you whether or not your comments have somehow enlightened me?  

What is acknowledging the good value and beauty of things and situations?  It is an assessment that helps you make wise choices and decisions. 

Except when it doesn't, or when it does precisely the opposite, ofc.

But what is perceiving good value and beauty?  Well, that is like the holy light of god putting you in a divine state of being and living.  It is a state of mind that goes far beyond simply acknowledging values.  It's like having the beauty and joy of the cosmos surging through you.

Well, I'm not feeling that after having read what you wrote, despite already being capable of perceiving good value and beauty....so..........

Without this inner light (our positive emotions), then your life can only amount to nothing. Even without the light of god within us, acknowledging the values of things and situations would still be vital in order for you to make wise decisions. But that can never replace the inner light which means our lives would still be empty without it. The lives and artistic endeavors of genius artists who didn't have this inner light would also have amounted to nothing. It doesn't matter how many magnificent goals they've achieved. The inner light is the ultimate thing and nothing can replace it. Without it, then you have nothing. Remember, this religious worldview of mine could also take on a secular form as well if we are living in a purely naturalistic universe where there is no god, afterlife, or paranormal. If it were to take on a secular form, rather than saying that our positive emotions are the inner light of god and that our lives would be empty without his inner light, we would instead say that our positive emotions are simply things we need. Otherwise, our lives would be empty.

[Edwardo Piet]

I'm trying to find the pulse here, but all I can distill thusfar is that when he thinks happy thoughts he feels happy.

It's never worked for me.

He's failed to explain to me how I'm supposed to apply his philosophy when I don't even know what I feel (or if I feel anything at all) 99% of the time. Pleasure and pain is all I feel most of the time.

[Foxaèr]

Without this inner light (our positive emotions), then your life can only amount to nothing.

This right here is merely a similarity to the flawed theistic notion that one cannot find meaning in life without god.

[Angrboda]

How is someone supposed to "get" some idea you have, if you can't clearly and accurately communicate it?

Personally, I thought my sight analogy works very well to get my point across even though it might not be a perfect analogy. We can still use analogies and metaphors to get our points across even though they might not be perfect. They just have to be good enough to get our point across.

Oh, will you..lol?  I tell you I'm not enlightened...and your response is..."yes you are"?   Who do you think might be in a better position, between the two of us, to tell you whether or not your comments have somehow enlightened me?  

Except when it doesn't, or when it does precisely the opposite, ofc.

Well, I'm not feeling that after having read what you wrote, despite already being capable of perceiving good value and beauty....so..........

Without this inner light (our positive emotions), then your life can only amount to nothing.  Even without the light of god within us, acknowledging the values of things and situations would still be vital in order for you to make wise decisions.  But that can never replace the inner light which means our lives would still be empty without it.  The lives and artistic endeavors of genius artists who didn't have this inner light would also have amounted to nothing.  It doesn't matter how many magnificent goals they've achieved.  The inner light is the ultimate thing and nothing can replace it.  Without it, then you have nothing.  Remember, this religious worldview of mine could also take on a secular form as well if we are living in a purely naturalistic universe where there is no god, afterlife, or paranormal.  If it were to take on a secular form, rather than saying that our positive emotions are the inner light of god and that our lives would be empty without his inner light, we would instead say that our positive emotions are simply things we need.  Otherwise, our lives would be empty.

Some would say that pleasure without meaning is empty. Is 'meaningfulness' an emotion? I don't think so. Regardless, studies have shown that people who are depressed have a more realistic assessment of things than those who are happy. This seems anathema to your claim that positive emotions are foundational to identifying objectively positive values.

Beyond that, I just don't get what it is you are on about. Good emotions feel good. Bad emotions feel bad. Got it. So what?

[Foxaèr]

Regardless, studies have shown that people who are depressed have a more realistic assessment of things than those who are happy.  

Precisely.