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Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
I'm enlightened.

TD will tell me I'm not. You watch Tongue

I'm also kind of serious. Being enlightened in a totally secular way is really no biggie.
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(September 29, 2017 at 3:37 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I will try yet again and this time it will be different.  There are two forms of value judgments as I've mentioned before. 
Oh, only two?  Not three or four, five being right out...and you're sure that you aren't taking about the same thing when you discuss thoughts and emotions? You;re sure that some value judgements are purely one or the other of these proposed categories, and not both...and you think that there are people living lives where they are devoid of the one which you show preference for?

Who, where, about what? Perhaps an -example- would be useful?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(September 29, 2017 at 3:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(September 29, 2017 at 3:37 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I will try yet again and this time it will be different.  There are two forms of value judgments as I've mentioned before. 
Oh, only two?  Not three or four, five being right out...and you're sure that you aren't taking about the same thing when you discuss thoughts and emotions?  You;re sure that some value judgements are purely one or the other of these proposed categories, and not both...and you think that there are people living lives where they are devoid of the one which you show preference for?

Who, where, about what?  Perhaps an -example- would be useful?

You just decided to quote and object to that small snippet I've written.  Read the rest of that post and you will understand where I am getting at.  It should clear up these objections of yours. There shouldn't be any problems here and I'm not sure why you are just choosing to give me a hard time when it is so unnecessary.
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Usually when I snippet, it means what I snipped off was irrelevant.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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I feel like TD is ignoring me Sad
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(September 29, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Hammy Wrote: I feel like TD is ignoring me Sad

You're better off not attracting her attention.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(September 29, 2017 at 3:59 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:
(September 29, 2017 at 3:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Oh, only two?  Not three or four, five being right out...and you're sure that you aren't taking about the same thing when you discuss thoughts and emotions?  You;re sure that some value judgements are purely one or the other of these proposed categories, and not both...and you think that there are people living lives where they are devoid of the one which you show preference for?

Who, where, about what?  Perhaps an -example- would be useful?

You just decided to quote and object to that small snippet I've written.  Read the rest of that post and you will understand where I am getting at.  It should clear up these objections of yours.  There shouldn't be any problems here and I'm not sure why you are just choosing to give me a hard time when it is so unnecessary.
-because none of the rest of it matters unless that snippet is true, TD.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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(September 29, 2017 at 4:17 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(September 29, 2017 at 4:14 pm)Hammy Wrote: I feel like TD is ignoring me Sad

You're better off not attracting her attention.

Her?

She's a she and she's ignoring me?

Well I must admit I don't have much luck with women.

I'm actually a really nice guy (and modest too) and I must admit I've been rather rude and brash so far so I'm hardly making a good impression of what I'm actually like. I just feel super frustrated because TD is presenting this theory about emotions and I don't even understand emotions.
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(September 25, 2017 at 3:37 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I will now present something that supports my whole worldview which supports and objective (intrinsic) good and bad.  Positive thoughts have to line up with positive emotions and negative thoughts have to line up with negative emotions since positive thoughts make us feel positive emotions and negative thoughts make us feel negative emotions. From there, value judgments of good value make us feel positive emotions such as thinking it is a good day today while value judgments of bad value make us feel negative emotions such as thinking something is horrible. So, you have a positive thought which is just a positive thought and then you have a positive emotion which is intrinsically positive like a positive charge.

You then have a negative thought which is just a negative thought and then you have a negative emotion which is intrinsically negative like a negative charge. To take it one step further, you have a positive (good) value judgment and then you have a positive (good) emotion which is intrinsically good. From there, you have a negative (bad) value judgment and then you have a negative (bad) emotion which is intrinsically bad. If a good or bad value judgment did not make you feel a positive or negative emotion, then there could be a number of factors as to why. Other than that, they do make you feel positive and negative emotions. Even if these positive and negative emotions were induced by other means such as drugs rather than thoughts, then they would still be intrinsically good and bad emotions.

Lastly, positive emotions would be feelings such as joy, love, and excitement which are states of mind induced by the brain's biochemicals (serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin, and endorphins).  They would be states of euphoria.  Negative emotions would be feelings of dysphoria such as a feeling of sadness, despair, anger, or misery.  Having no emotions at all would be like having no charge at all.  It would be a completely neutral lifestyle where you are neither motivated in a good way by a positive emotion nor motivated in a bad way by a negative emotion.

Negativity has worked better than positivity for me i get the opposite reaction with positivity.
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(September 29, 2017 at 4:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(September 29, 2017 at 3:59 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: You just decided to quote and object to that small snippet I've written.  Read the rest of that post and you will understand where I am getting at.  It should clear up these objections of yours.  There shouldn't be any problems here and I'm not sure why you are just choosing to give me a hard time when it is so unnecessary.
-because none of the rest of it matters unless that snippet is true, TD.

Then I'm just not understanding the problem here.  All I am asking is for you to fully read that post and then get back to me.  If there is still that problem, then we can work it out.
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