What would you do if you found out God existed

[Captain_Nemo]

I would have to believe she existed, but i wouldnt be a devotee if she is evil. As flawed as we are, humans generally still have an inherent desire for goodness I think. At least I do, but I think the same can be said about most people.

Well then why the devotion to god? By any standard what is attributed to him shows a being of pure evil, condemning the whole of humanity for Eve acting exactly as he set her up to do, and getting worse from there.

Your actual position on yhwh belies the words you say about kali. You would no more accept her as god than you do now.

Unless a discussion is started from a point where all parties agree to have started from a point of truth that was mutually agreed upon, there is no point in further exchange.


What is devotion?
It's so obvious - what really is happening makes one puke. 
Lets take an example. 
Lets say somebody goes to the GYM in the name of GOD, and another guy goes to the GYM in the name of another GOD and so on.
They will be rewarded according to their deeds.

Religion is meant to be an agregate of truthful information. Swimming is good, running is good too.

The definition of who we are is homo sapiens sapiens. Unless You keep constant watch over Your deeds and thoughts You made a step back to homo sapiens - congratulations on that.

The exertion that is put into this "watching" this is the strength of Your devotion to whatever You believe in.
Jesus said love God with all Your heart, mind soul etc. If You were to use Your body all the time to the max. You'd be ripped as hell. The same goes for spirit. Jesus did not really give a definition for God, because with training the perceptual apparatus changes too and hence any definition is unnecessary, You see more and more with every step. Your spirit becomes ripped as an angels.

[Catholic_Lady]

I would have to believe she existed, but i wouldnt be a devotee if she is evil. As flawed as we are, humans generally still have an inherent desire for goodness I think. At least I do, but I think the same can be said about most people.

Well then why the devotion to god? By any standard what is attributed to him shows a being of pure evil, condemning the whole of humanity for Eve acting exactly as he set her up to do, and getting worse from there.

Your actual position on yhwh belies the words you say about kali. You would no more accept her as god than you do now.

I am devoted to God because I believe God is goodness and love, and I believe human beings were made to be drawn to those 2 things, and find fulfillment in them.

If Kali appeared in front of me and did whatever was necessary for me to believe she exists, I would be forced to do so if I was being honest with myself.

[Pat Mustard]

I am devoted to God because I believe God is goodness and love, and I believe human beings were made to be drawn to those 2 things, and find fulfillment in them.

Taking the premise that the god of the bible is real (a ridiculously large act, true), then objectively speaking that god is evil. These are a few the crimes he commits:

1) original sin for Adam and Eve eating the apple from the tree of knowledge, which damns all people forever to eternal punishment unless they declare abject slavery to his whim. What makes this one especially evil is that the eating of the apple was an act that yhwh forsaw and engineered to occur.
2) drowning the world because the people he made and ensured would act in a certain way acted in the way he decided they were to act.
3) ordering the killing all the men women and male children of neighbouring tribes, simply because they occupied (for many generations) land that he wanted his chosen people (who were genetically and culturally indistinguishable from their victims) to have
4) destroying utterly a town simply because some of the people inhabiting it were gay. Prior to that he allowed the "one virtuous man" in that town to allow his daughter be gang raped to death so that a stranger may be saved from a single rape, and post he killed vindictively the wife of the same man because she looked back at the destruction of the town
5) destroying the life of a man, killing his whole family and servants and ensuring he would not have a moment's peace for the rest of his life, just to win a bet
and finally and most heinously 6) condemning people to eternal and unremitting punishment people who committed such minor indiscretions as picking up sticks on a Saturday, not believing in him, using his name in an unpleasant way or even laughing at one of his prophets for being bald.

There is no possible way that you can say, honestly and truthfully, that your god is love, that he is compassionate, that he is just, that he is honourable or any thing that we consider in ourselves, flawed and imperfect, necessary as minimal requirements for being good. If your god is perfect in anything, it is in his evil.

[Catholic_Lady]

I am devoted to God because I believe God is goodness and love, and I believe human beings were made to be drawn to those 2 things, and find fulfillment in them.

Taking the premise that the god of the bible is real (a ridiculously large act, true), then objectively speaking that god is evil. These are a few the crimes he commits:

1) original sin for Adam and Eve eating the apple from the tree of knowledge, which damns all people forever to eternal punishment unless they declare abject slavery to his whim. What makes this one especially evil is that the eating of the apple was an act that yhwh forsaw and engineered to occur.
2) drowning the world because the people he made and ensured would act in a certain way acted in the way he decided they were to act.
3) ordering the killing all the men women and male children of neighbouring tribes, simply because they occupied (for many generations) land that he wanted his chosen people (who were genetically and culturally indistinguishable from their victims) to have
4) destroying utterly a town simply because some of the people inhabiting it were gay. Prior to that he allowed the "one virtuous man" in that town to allow his daughter be gang raped to death so that a stranger may be saved from a single rape, and post he killed vindictively the wife of the same man because she looked back at the destruction of the town
5) destroying the life of a man, killing his whole family and servants and ensuring he would not have a moment's peace for the rest of his life, just to win a bet
and finally and most heinously 6) condemning people to eternal and unremitting punishment people who committed such minor indiscretions as picking up sticks on a Saturday, not believing in him, using his name in an unpleasant way or even laughing at one of his prophets for being bald.

There is no possible way that you can say, honestly and truthfully, that your god is love, that he is compassionate, that he is just, that he is honourable or any thing that we consider in ourselves, flawed and imperfect, necessary as minimal requirements for being good. If your god is perfect in anything, it is in his evil.

But you're forgetting the biggest portrayal of God: Jesus. Jesus taught us to love everyone and to do good for everyone, even our worst enemies. He showed us the ultimate act of love, which is to give your very life to someone else.

I can't explain these stories in the Old Testament except to say they were written 10 thousand years ago by people of a very very different time. I am of the personal opinion that the Old Testament stories are all allegorical and not historical fact, and that Jesus came to set certain things straight. As a Christian I look first and foremost to Jesus Himself, His life, and His teachings. I believe He was God made man, so what better way to understand what God is like than through Jesus?

[Pat Mustard]

But you're forgetting the biggest portrayal of God: Jesus. Jesus taught us to love everyone and to do good for everyone, even our worst enemies. He showed us the ultimate act of love, which is to give your very life to someone else.

Matthew 5:17. Everything that is evil about yhwh, Jesus told us is the law of god.

[Catholic_Lady]

But you're forgetting the biggest portrayal of God: Jesus. Jesus taught us to love everyone and to do good for everyone, even our worst enemies. He showed us the ultimate act of love, which is to give your very life to someone else.

Matthew 5:17. Everything that is evil about yhwh, Jesus told us is the law of god.

Right, He came to "fulfill The Law." But many people of the time (particularly the high priests) were taking issue with it because turns out it wasn't quite what they thought.

[possibletarian]

Matthew 5:17. Everything that is evil about yhwh, Jesus told us is the law of god.

Right, He came to "fulfill The Law." But many people of the time (particularly the high priests) were taking issue with it because turns out it wasn't quite what they thought.

What exactly do you mean by 'Fufill the law' ?

Was exactly is the bible referring to when it says the 'Law' ?

[Catholic_Lady]

Right, He came to "fulfill The Law." But many people of the time (particularly the high priests) were taking issue with it because turns out it wasn't quite what they thought.

What exactly do you mean by 'Fufill the law' ?

Was exactly is the bible referring to when it says the 'Law' ?

"The Law" is the 10 commandments. 

During Jesus' sermon when he spoke about fulfilling the law, He specifically made reference to murder, adultery, lying, and loving your enemy. 

Fulfilling the law means He demonstrated God's law by His example as a human being, and He taught us its deeper underlying principles. There was a big problem with legalism and blind obedience at the time, and Jesus emphasized on the spirit of the law.

[possibletarian]

What exactly do you mean by 'Fufill the law' ?

Was exactly is the bible referring to when it says the 'Law' ?

"The Law" is the 10 commandments. 

During Jesus' sermon when he spoke about fulfilling the law, He specifically made reference to murder, adultery, lying, and loving your enemy. 

Fulfilling the law means He demonstrated God's law by His example as a human being, and He taught us its deeper underlying principles. There was a big problem with legalism and blind obedience at the time, and Jesus emphasized on the spirit of the law.

Thank you, I appreciate the answer, but then what was the Leviticus law were they included in what Jesus would call the Law at all ?

[Catholic_Lady]

"The Law" is the 10 commandments. 

During Jesus' sermon when he spoke about fulfilling the law, He specifically made reference to murder, adultery, lying, and loving your enemy. 

Fulfilling the law means He demonstrated God's law by His example as a human being, and He taught us its deeper underlying principles. There was a big problem with legalism and blind obedience at the time, and Jesus emphasized on the spirit of the law.

Thank you, I appreciate the answer, but then what was the Leviticus law were they included in what Jesus would call the Law at all ?

No probs!

In those times, when they said "The Law of the Prophet" they were specifically referring to the 10 commandments.  

Personally I don't even know what Leviticus law is.