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RE: what Was the Tree of Life For?
November 10, 2017 at 12:16 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 11:49 am)Khemikal Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 11:18 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: if Adam was created immortal, why did he need a tree to give him what he already had?
Are you asking within the context of the story, or as an expression of earlier and globally common human religious traditions?
The only reason for the former..is the latter. Essentially, the tree of life was there for the same reason that the damsel is in distress. Just-so.
I was asking within the context of the story. But you're right, so far I haven't heard anything approaching a reasonable explanation that doesn't add stuff that's not there.
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RE: what Was the Tree of Life For?
November 10, 2017 at 1:38 pm
Looking for reason in the story is like searching for a penis at a female prison. Thin on the ground, and if you find one it's bound to be disappointing.
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RE: what Was the Tree of Life For?
November 10, 2017 at 2:09 pm
Quote:"and they lived happily ever after".
But they didn't because god fucked them.
It's even shitty for a fairy tale!
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RE: what Was the Tree of Life For?
November 10, 2017 at 2:16 pm
What does this say in the context of immortal cell lines?
Wait, I got it, god rewards cancer!
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RE: what Was the Tree of Life For?
November 10, 2017 at 3:03 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 11:33 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Immortal meant with respect to light, that is he becomes perpetually the light of God with no neglect in his act of goodness, will, power, and embracing of God's light over the darkness, and the tree would be either Jesus in Christianity, Moses and his successors in Judaism, or Mohammad and his family in Islam.
And Adam became the tree of light on earth that extended to all sentient beings (human and Jinn) and was rechosen for it, and open majestic doors of repenting with sincerity that was a marvel for all those who looked on.
A mortal who was first in a garden beyond earth, came down to earth, to guide other sentient beings and become the Ruler on behalf of God. He knew the fruits of the place of proximity to God and was best fit to warn now every sentient being of the dark enemy.
And Adam's sin (missing the mark) was not malicious nor evil, but it was injustice in the sense of not giving himself the proper due nor God, but it was by no means evil. He disobeyed God because he trusted out of his own truthful nature Iblis when he swore by God he was sincerely advising him, he knew Iblis was an enemy but thought Iblis remained a lover of God enough not to swear by God and lie.
These days people take swearing by God in vain, which shows how far we have gone.
The tree of life is on earth, it is what you know as "goodness", it has seven veils, or seven skies, and it's all one water/one light that descends and ascends between us and them, and the sky to reach out to and the helper of rain, with who is twelve stars including the Prophet, is the promised King and Leader who will bring justice to the world and restore the proper balance - the true love we are meant to be upon.
Adam craved it and his craving was righteous for it was a craving of a true lover, but he was hasty, and the biggest mistake he did was rely on other than God for guidance. This will forever become a warning not to trust anyone for guidance because deceivers swear sincerely and convince the sincere that they are guides and leaders that enlighten.
The door to God and guidance of God must be approached by proofs that God provides.
So many lessons to be learned, but it was a slip, he blinded himself to the lie of Iblis to extent due to his truthfulness but also by his love to get to God's proximity and to be in complete state of submission.
Adam regret for this slip made Angels cry and earned him a beloved position among the chosen ones, he is an elite, there was no lie in Adam, he truly loved God, and he didn't rebel after he sinned, but admitted his slip, sin, and injustice to himself.
I'm genuinely impressed at how quickly that became utter bullshit. Six words in and it was incomprehensible gibberish, that must be some kind of record.
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RE: what Was the Tree of Life For?
November 10, 2017 at 3:22 pm
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (TKGE) makes zero sense either. Why bother creating either tree, if the only purpose was to make them immediately forbidden (to the extent of surrounding them with impenetrable security after the fact)? The temptation trap could just as easily been laid using bog-standard trees, without the risk of giving superpowers.
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RE: what Was the Tree of Life For?
November 10, 2017 at 3:50 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 11:18 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: if Adam was created immortal, why did he need a tree to give him what he already had?
If Adam was immortal why did he had to eat in the first place?
*crickets*
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: what Was the Tree of Life For?
November 10, 2017 at 3:58 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 3:22 pm)Cyberman Wrote: The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil (TKGE) makes zero sense either. Why bother creating either tree, if the only purpose was to make them immediately forbidden (to the extent of surrounding them with impenetrable security after the fact)? The temptation trap could just as easily been laid using bog-standard trees, without the risk of giving superpowers.
The tree of continence (rarely mentioned) came in handy after the fall.
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RE: what Was the Tree of Life For?
November 10, 2017 at 4:38 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 3:50 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 11:18 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: if Adam was created immortal, why did he need a tree to give him what he already had?
If Adam was immortal why did he had to eat in the first place?
*crickets*
Things can still taste good, even if you don't need to eat it to survive, presumably. Hook yourself up to an IV for nutrients, and you won't have to eat anymore, but you'll still miss the taste of food.
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RE: what Was the Tree of Life For?
November 10, 2017 at 4:40 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 4:38 pm)Chad32 Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 3:50 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: If Adam was immortal why did he had to eat in the first place?
*crickets*
Things can still taste good, even if you don't need to eat it to survive, presumably. Hook yourself up to an IV for nutrients, and you won't have to eat anymore, but you'll still miss the taste of food.
So simply for hedonistic purposes?
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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