No problems with atheism then...

[Paul the Human]

You are entitled to your opinion. But if religious bigotry is the only is the only problem that it faces, is it not a rather sad reflection upon the atheist community that it has thus far managed so ineffectively to extend itself?

You say that as if atheism were a movement, with goals and objectives. It isn't. It is simply a label given to the state of lacking belief in deities. I do not believe that god(s) of any kind exist. It isn't possible for that to "have problems".

Not so far as I know. Of course, it may not always be possible for me to be aware of any particular name that I might be known by.

Sorry. Not buying it.

[Shell B]

Believe Paul used the word bigotry.

Then god guy should have used it in his argument against Paul, not as a response to me.

[Minimalist]

There is no evidence that atheism is correct - along with theism - and that's a bit of a problem actually, isn't it?

Atheism is merely the denial that you have shown your 'god' ( or any god) is anything more than a figment of some primitive goat fucker's imagination.

In this, atheism is CORRECT, Rayaan. All you can muster to support your "belief" is more belief. You should understand by now that "belief" doesn't cut it.

[Cinjin]

for a guy who claims to be an atheist - he sure seems to have a real problem with atheism. It's just odd.



What is it with people needing to classify, categorize, label and otherwise pigeon-hole atheism anyway?

[Rayaan]

A problem is something that exists in the mind. So if you say it is a problem then it is a problem.

Did you vote on the poll?

I voted but then I removed it again because even though I have a problem with atheism, others do not, and neither of it means that there is a 'problem' with atheism itself (as Paul the Human said).

[Godnose]

To be fair, theists had a head start, and we have laws against the kind of tactics that they employed.

As far as I know there is no law that forbids atheists from self-examination of our own belief structure, including the problems that may (or not) be inherent in that structure. Yet is precisely that specific activity which appears to be being resisted here, and not by religious bigots but by so-called atheists themselves.

I suspect many atheists are extremely uncertain of their position, which would explain why you are all so reluctant to enter into a discussion of the problems of atheism. If you were really sure of your position, you would be happy to enter into an open and frank discussion. All this prevarication indicates to me that your belief in your own arguments is really pretty thin. I suggest that the fact is that (unlike me), underneath it all you are pretty awed by the condition of your own existence, and live in perpetual fear that you may be wrong and terrified of the potential of Holy veangence being wrought upon you.

If that ain't the case, and I'm wrong, how's about proving it by getting on with the discussion rather than all this side-tracking?

[Paul the Human]

Atheism does not include a "belief structure". There's the problem... and it lies with you.

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for a guy who claims to be an atheist - he sure seems to have a real problem with atheism. It's just odd.

That's because, if I am not totally off base, this is a troll that has been banned from these forums on numerous occasions. He used to go by "Godhead".

[Godnose]

Sorry. Not buying it.

I'm not selling. I'm telling. I vehemently object to the implication I am a liar and demand an apology.

[The Grand Nudger]

God, you should just tell us what your belief structure is, and how it's a problem for atheism, rather than us all waiting with baited breath for this thread to collapse.

[Paul the Human]

Sorry. Not buying it.

I'm not selling. I'm telling. I vehemently object to the implication I am a liar and demand an apology.

Haha! I suspected before... but now I am nearly positive. You never could fool me, Godhead.