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Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
August 18, 2011 at 7:20 pm
A conversation from another thread drove me to post this. In the wake of the evidentialist apologetic failures of late, this stuff is making a comeback. In my opinion, this type of approach to christianity is the one that's going to survive. It's the ultimate fingers in the ears defense. The WMD of disagreements. Seems these guys are banking on the success of this tactic in the playgrounds of their youth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presupposit...pologetics
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
August 18, 2011 at 7:46 pm
(August 18, 2011 at 7:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: A conversation from another thread drove me to post this. In the wake of the evidentialist apologetic failures of late, this stuff is making a comeback. In my opinion, this type of approach to christianity is the one that's going to survive. It's the ultimate fingers in the ears defense. The WMD of disagreements. Seems these guys are banking on the success of this tactic in the playgrounds of their youth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presupposit...pologetics
The tulip turnip's thread? I can't believe there are people out there whose life is so boring that they would not only take an interest in that garbage, but waste the time to invent the phrase "presuppositional apologetics" to describe it.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
August 18, 2011 at 8:38 pm
(August 18, 2011 at 7:20 pm)Rhythm Wrote: A conversation from another thread drove me to post this. In the wake of the evidentialist apologetic failures of late, this stuff is making a comeback. In my opinion, this type of approach to christianity is the one that's going to survive. It's the ultimate fingers in the ears defense. The WMD of disagreements. Seems these guys are banking on the success of this tactic in the playgrounds of their youth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presupposit...pologetics
And they seriously believe that Atheists are going to buy into this...
At any rate, here's an article by Jonathan Sarfati which "explains" this ideology, and RationalWiki's rebuttal calling him out on his bullshit.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
August 18, 2011 at 8:40 pm
(This post was last modified: August 18, 2011 at 8:51 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Hehehe, well Chuck, I can't speak for everyone, but the long and checkered history of belief is fascinating to me. I'll suffer an army of half baked thoughts to get to that little core of humanity behind it all. Another article on the subject.
http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.co...ional.html
Statlers our only posterboy for this btw (that I'm aware of, though Frodo has made some remarks that would qualify, have to ask him for clarity), I'm trying to encourage him to post here.
What a wonderful article Rye, but now I don't have anything left to talk about, son of a bitch.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
August 19, 2011 at 12:08 am
Quote:but waste the time to invent the phrase "presuppositional apologetics" to describe it.
They didn't; the phrase has been around for ages. In terms Christian apologetics, it's redundant.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
August 19, 2011 at 12:14 am
People who believe that a dead jew came back to life can apparently be made to believe damn near anything, boys.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
August 19, 2011 at 3:05 am
(August 19, 2011 at 12:14 am)Minimalist Wrote: People who believe that a dead jew came back to life can apparently be made to believe damn near anything, boys.
Yup.
Many of them are the same people who believed "Yes we can!" and who have now gotten their panties all out of focus because they have realised "No we haven't and ain't gonna" 
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
August 19, 2011 at 6:12 am
(August 19, 2011 at 12:14 am)Minimalist Wrote: People who believe that a dead jew came back to life can apparently be made to believe damn near anything, boys.
Not really anything Min, 'cause if it is something that doesn't agree with they wholly babble, then they will turn into hard skeptics.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
August 19, 2011 at 9:25 am
I'm not sure that disbelief due to incompatibility with magic qualifies as skepticism.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
August 19, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Thinking like this doesn't get you laughed out of debates?
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