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[pocaracas]

Kevin, I lean more to a misdiagnosis, than a flat out lie.
He's been remarkably consistent with his story, hasn't he?

[Drich]

 google NON-HIV AIDS Subject closed.
They do not know what causes it it can describes an autoimmune deficiency that can come and go to due to a whole long list of suspected factors.. 

The test was for HIV then they issued a second test that came back clear. Again was given the test because of the 100's if not thousands of skin leasion noramally associated with late state AIDS patent just "appeared" on arms and upper body. still have a few scars from them.

White cell count with blood in urine and cancer protein without mrker or cancer marker without protein (can remember which) that is enoughto spend several 1000 dollars in co pays and treatment

Urologist absolutely did Tell me I have a 98% chance of cancer just don't know where it is. ( was sitting on the exame table and he dam near gave me a heart attack when he burt into the room looked me dead in the eye and said I'm sorry but you have some sort of cancer. Didn't know where it was but Told me of all the invasive thing he was going to do and told me to get 1/2 a dozen other things done. because my obama care would allow me to see him for the urology bit but had to goto the UF cancer center down town for the hematology bit. then lectured me on how I lived my life, told me I had a 98% chance of having cancer and I needed to follow his direction to the letter. I am sure I am not the first person he has done this too.
And i didn't walk around with a brst appendix I slept it off.

You scared to hear more than one person tell you the same story? you afraid you might have to reexamine your life?

You people are such hypocrites. you ask why doesn't God heal why can't you produce a 1st person example you always hear of someone else or a friend of a friend.Here with me you have a first person example... think of all the questions you could ask.. but rather you just call me a lair and hope this will allow you to sleep at night for fear I am telling you the 100% God's Honest truth.

bold mine

In the medical community the term AIDS is strictly limited to "acquired immune deficiency syndrome" that is caused by HIV. You just want to twist it for your dramatic god effect. There is no such thing in medicine as non HIV AIDS. That is limited to drama queens or those with limited mental capacity. Autoimmune disorder is not and never will be AIDS. 

You did actually read the reference material I quoted did you. here let me do the heavy lifting and leave you 4 paragraphs to read. They use big words but if you read carfully you will see a case simpliar to mine being referenced as having non HIV AIDS.

Although  groups  at  risk  of  HIV infection  appear  to  be  over-represented  amongst  the
early  case  reports,  these  almost  certainly  represent  an  ascertainment  bias towards  early
presentation,  CD4  investigation  and  documentation  of
cases.
 Many  of  these  cases,  had
they  occurred  in  the general  population,  might  otherwise  have escaped  detection  (Fauci,
1993).
 Certainly,  since  the  wave  of reports  that  followed  the  initial  description  of  this
disease group, there  is no evidence of increasing case numbers and  the condition  remains
exceptionally  rare  when  contrasted  to  the  early  exponential  rise  in  AIDS  cases.  More
importantly,  a  critical  review  of  the  case  literature  reveals  occasional  cases  or  even
clusters of  opportunistic  infections  in  patients  who  have  no  evidence  of  CD4  depletion
(Jacobs
 et  al.,
  1991;  Holland
 et  al.,
  1994;  Lentino  &  Brooks,  1994).  Many  of  these
presumably  represent  cases  where  functional  immune  deficiency  in  which  patients  with
normal  CD4  counts  nevertheless  are  unable  to  mount  specific  cell-mediated  immune
responses  to  counter  the  opportunistic  pathogens.  In  these  cases  it  is  likely  that  the
spectrum  of  infectious  agents  to  which  each  individual  is  susceptible  will  be  narrower
than   that  encountered   in  primary  immune  deficiency  states  or  in  HIV   immunodefi-
ciency. It  is probable  that  the  only difference  between  these cases and  the  ones  classified
as non-HIV  AIDS  is whether  the individuals  have  low CD4 counts associated  with  their
predisposing  immunological  lesion.
Low  CD4  counts  are  an  uncommon  but  recognised  accompaniment   to  common
variable  immunodeficiency  which  is  the  most  common  form  of  antibody  deficiency  in
adults  (Cunningham-Rundles,   1989;  Lebranchi
 et  al.,
  1990;  Kazmarski
 et  al.,
 1992).
These  patients  may  also  develop  severe  opportunistic  infections,  including  pulmonary
or  extra-pulmonary
  P.  carinii
 infection  (Rao  &  Gelfand,   1983;  Esolen
 et  al.,
 1992).
Patients  with  overt  hypogammaglobulinaemia  were  not  included  in  the  original  series
of  idiopathic  CD4  lymphopenia  or  non-HIV  AIDS  cases,  but  in  some  individuals  the
hypogammaglobulinaemia   may  be  marginal  or  even  absent  in  cases  with   functional
antibody  deficiency.  Since  common  variable  immunodeficiency   is  a  sporadic  cause  of
immunodeficiency  with  a  wide  heterogeneity  of  presentation  at  any  age,  it  is  probably
that  at  least  a proportion  of  reported  cases  represents  examples  of  this disease  in  which
cellular immunodeficiency  is pre-eminent  or  where  full  immunological  investigation  has
not  been  completed.
Primary    immunodeficiency    diseases,   particularly    those    in    which    the   T    cell
compartment   is  severely   affected,   are  generally   considered   to  occur   only   in   early
childhood.  However,  a  recent  report  (Shovlin
 et  al.,
 1993) described  two  sisters  age  34
and  35 years  who  presented  with  later  onset  fungal  and  viral  infections  and  very  low
CD4  cell  counts  in  the  absence  of  HIV  infection.  The  CD4  counts  reported  were  low
enough    to    have    qualified    these   cases    for    inclusion    as    idiopathic    CD4 +     T
lymphocytopenia.  Extensive  immunological  investigations  revealed  very  low  levels  of
adenosine   deaminase   activity   and   it   is  proposed   that   these   cases   represent   late
presentation  of  a condition  which  usually  presents  in  early  infancy  as  severe  combined
immunodeficiency.
The  similarity  of  many  of  the  described  case  reports  of  primary   immunodeficiency
states  with  those  collected  under  the  designation  of[b] non-HIV AIDS[/b]  suggests  that  the
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The skin lesions in immunocompromised patients are many and not limited only to AIDS patients. Just more make believe drama on your part. 

The doctor literally read word for word that these lesions were found in the very young (who immune system was not set up/functioning) or people with late onset AIDS. Which is what promted me to gt the HIV testing.

Drama from: Department of Immunology, Churchill Hospital, Oxford 0X3 7LJ, UK

Finding RBC and WBC with/without protein markers in the urine also occur with many conditions and is not necessarily cancer. Again with the drama. 

examples of high blood cell count, blood in urine plus cancer markers without the proper protein please.. I was told this was early onset cancer. which is why the proteins (cancer waste) were missing/my system wasable to keep up and clean my blood. but soon when it gets bigger my system would not be able to keep up and an excess of these markers would build up.

If you are reporting the urologist statement correctly (which I believe is a complete fabrication on your part) then he was an idiot. Did the UF cancer center tell you that you had cancer???

The Urologist told me I needed to do a host of blood work which I had already done along with my cat scan, Told him What was already done by the UF cancer center, He went to pull my records and 20/30 mins later burst into the room and told me I have cancer/there was a 98% chance of that. we now need to narrow down what type, then he listed out some very invasive porceedures he wanted to do.

No B/S that was how I was told.

You don't walk off or sleep off a burst appendix.

Actually I did. I was told to walk it off and then punched in the appendix..

More than likely this was gas that you farted out. Yet another lie for dramatic effect. 

Kinda got that one on a CaT Scan sport. I totally forgot about it till I was asked about abdominal pain I had experienced at any point in the past.

I'm not scared of your fantasy fabrication stories. I know medical bullshit when I hear it. Yours are bullshit lies. 

is what you tell yourself so you don't have to reconcile how someone without devine intervention has face potential death several times and lives to tell about it.

You may think it's the truth for to enhance your god drama but it does not stand up to examination.

Not from your chair at home it doesn't. You all have member that live close. volunteer one of them and I will show them around. I will show that everything I ever claim to be true.
let them tell you.

Time to back up your bullshit stories with medical facts. But you won't, just as with all miracle medical claims, because you know it's all fabrication.

they are call anomalies. or abnormal reactions. when someone does not follow the death plan tied to a diagnosis. I can share a whole host of cancer stuff. I've got some scares from the AIDS stuff that look like old cigarette burns by my family remembers The business stuff is all true. the wife stuff is all true. my time spent in the inner city ministires is all true, everything I have ever shared is true. Here's the thing these are the thing I needed as a doubting Drich to establish and maintain my faith/beliefs. God is will to do whatever you need for you to establish and maintain your faith. We each get indivisualized attention if we simply a/s/k for it.

Edit: Can we hear from the other theists here about what they think or the drich story (stories)????

we all have been given what we need to established and maintain our own individual beliefs. Not every one is a hand or eye, so God's treatment to us will vary.

[brewer]

bold mine

In the medical community the term AIDS is strictly limited to "acquired immune deficiency syndrome" that is caused by HIV. You just want to twist it for your dramatic god effect. There is no such thing in medicine as non HIV AIDS. That is limited to drama queens or those with limited mental capacity. Autoimmune disorder is not and never will be AIDS. 

You did actually read the reference material I quoted did you. here let me do the heavy lifting and leave you 4 paragraphs to read. They use big words but if you read carfully you will see a case simpliar to mine being referenced as having non HIV AIDS.

Although  groups  at  risk  of  HIV infection  appear  to  be  over-represented  amongst  the
early  case  reports,  these  almost  certainly  represent  an  ascertainment  bias towards  early
presentation,  CD4  investigation  and  documentation  of
cases.
 Many  of  these  cases,  had
they  occurred  in  the general  population,  might  otherwise  have escaped  detection  (Fauci,
1993).
 Certainly,  since  the  wave  of reports  that  followed  the  initial  description  of  this
disease group, there  is no evidence of increasing case numbers and  the condition  remains
exceptionally  rare  when  contrasted  to  the  early  exponential  rise  in  AIDS  cases.  More
importantly,  a  critical  review  of  the  case  literature  reveals  occasional  cases  or  even
clusters of  opportunistic  infections  in  patients  who  have  no  evidence  of  CD4  depletion
(Jacobs
 et  al.,
  1991;  Holland
 et  al.,
  1994;  Lentino  &  Brooks,  1994).  Many  of  these
presumably  represent  cases  where  functional  immune  deficiency  in  which  patients  with
normal  CD4  counts  nevertheless  are  unable  to  mount  specific  cell-mediated  immune
responses  to  counter  the  opportunistic  pathogens.  In  these  cases  it  is  likely  that  the
spectrum  of  infectious  agents  to  which  each  individual  is  susceptible  will  be  narrower
than   that  encountered   in  primary  immune  deficiency  states  or  in  HIV   immunodefi-
ciency. It  is probable  that  the  only difference  between  these cases and  the  ones  classified
as non-HIV  AIDS  is whether  the individuals  have  low CD4 counts associated  with  their
predisposing  immunological  lesion.
Low  CD4  counts  are  an  uncommon  but  recognised  accompaniment   to  common
variable  immunodeficiency  which  is  the  most  common  form  of  antibody  deficiency  in
adults  (Cunningham-Rundles,   1989;  Lebranchi
 et  al.,
  1990;  Kazmarski
 et  al.,
 1992).
These  patients  may  also  develop  severe  opportunistic  infections,  including  pulmonary
or  extra-pulmonary
  P.  carinii
 infection  (Rao  &  Gelfand,   1983;  Esolen
 et  al.,
 1992).
Patients  with  overt  hypogammaglobulinaemia  were  not  included  in  the  original  series
of  idiopathic  CD4  lymphopenia  or  non-HIV  AIDS  cases,  but  in  some  individuals  the
hypogammaglobulinaemia   may  be  marginal  or  even  absent  in  cases  with   functional
antibody  deficiency.  Since  common  variable  immunodeficiency   is  a  sporadic  cause  of
immunodeficiency  with  a  wide  heterogeneity  of  presentation  at  any  age,  it  is  probably
that  at  least  a proportion  of  reported  cases  represents  examples  of  this disease  in  which
cellular immunodeficiency  is pre-eminent  or  where  full  immunological  investigation  has
not  been  completed.
Primary    immunodeficiency    diseases,   particularly    those    in    which    the   T    cell
compartment   is  severely   affected,   are  generally   considered   to  occur   only   in   early
childhood.  However,  a  recent  report  (Shovlin
 et  al.,
 1993) described  two  sisters  age  34
and  35 years  who  presented  with  later  onset  fungal  and  viral  infections  and  very  low
CD4  cell  counts  in  the  absence  of  HIV  infection.  The  CD4  counts  reported  were  low
enough    to    have    qualified    these   cases    for    inclusion    as    idiopathic    CD4 +     T
lymphocytopenia.  Extensive  immunological  investigations  revealed  very  low  levels  of
adenosine   deaminase   activity   and   it   is  proposed   that   these   cases   represent   late
presentation  of  a condition  which  usually  presents  in  early  infancy  as  severe  combined
immunodeficiency.
The  similarity  of  many  of  the  described  case  reports  of  primary   immunodeficiency
states  with  those  collected  under  the  designation  of[b] non-HIV AIDS[/b]  suggests  that  the
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The skin lesions in immunocompromised patients are many and not limited only to AIDS patients. Just more make believe drama on your part. 

The doctor literally read word for word that these lesions were found in the very young (who immune system was not set up/functioning) or people with late onset AIDS. Which is what promted me to gt the HIV testing.

Drama from: Department of Immunology, Churchill Hospital, Oxford 0X3 7LJ, UK

Finding RBC and WBC with/without protein markers in the urine also occur with many conditions and is not necessarily cancer. Again with the drama. 

examples of high blood cell count, blood in urine plus cancer markers without the proper protein please.. I was told this was early onset cancer. which is why the proteins (cancer waste) were missing/my system wasable to keep up and clean my blood. but soon when it gets bigger my system would not be able to keep up and an excess of these markers would build up.

If you are reporting the urologist statement correctly (which I believe is a complete fabrication on your part) then he was an idiot. Did the UF cancer center tell you that you had cancer???

The Urologist told me I needed to do a host of blood work which I had already done along with my cat scan, Told him What was already done by the UF cancer center, He went to pull my records and 20/30 mins later burst into the room and told me I have cancer/there was a 98% chance of that. we now need to narrow down what type, then he listed out some very invasive porceedures he wanted to do.

No B/S that was how I was told.

You don't walk off or sleep off a burst appendix.

Actually I did. I was told to walk it off and then punched in the appendix..

More than likely this was gas that you farted out. Yet another lie for dramatic effect. 

Kinda got that one on a CaT Scan sport. I totally forgot about it till I was asked about abdominal pain I had experienced at any point in the past.

I'm not scared of your fantasy fabrication stories. I know medical bullshit when I hear it. Yours are bullshit lies. 

is what you tell yourself so you don't have to reconcile how someone without devine intervention has face potential death several times and lives to tell about it.

You may think it's the truth for to enhance your god drama but it does not stand up to examination.

Not from your chair at home it doesn't. You all have member that live close. volunteer one of them and I will show them around. I will show that everything I ever claim to be true.
let them tell you.

Time to back up your bullshit stories with medical facts. But you won't, just as with all miracle medical claims, because you know it's all fabrication.

they are call anomalies. or abnormal reactions. when someone does not follow the death plan tied to a diagnosis. I can share a whole host of cancer stuff. I've got some scares from the AIDS stuff that look like old cigarette burns by my family remembers The business stuff is all true. the wife stuff is all true. my time spent in the inner city ministires is all true, everything I have ever shared is true. Here's the thing these are the thing I needed as a doubting Drich to establish and maintain my faith/beliefs. God is will to do whatever you need for you to establish and maintain your faith. We each get indivisualized attention if we simply a/s/k for it.

Edit: Can we hear from the other theists here about what they think or the drich story (stories)????

we all have been given what we need to established and maintain our own individual beliefs. Not every one is a hand or eye, so God's treatment to us will vary.

Apparently you can't read medical. It's CD4 lymphopenia, and idiopathic CD4 T lymphocytopenia. 

Why are you producing medical articles from British journals? Did you actually talk to British doctors or were treated in Britain? Or are 20 year old British articles the only thing that you can find where they use AIDS incorrectly. All of this smells. 

And your HIV testing found that you did not have AIDS. But you kept right on using AIDS. 

You tell me what the proteins and markers were and I'll take a look. Better yet, produce the medical records to back up your drama claim. 

I'm beginning to think your urologist was a histrionic drama queen, much like you. I think it's more likely that you are lying. Produce the UF and urologist medical records. 

Produce your CAT scan report documenting a ruptured/burst appendix and the physician who after diagnosing a ruptured/burst appendix told you to walk it off. 

You're full of shit. You tell your bullshit story demanding that it is believable and yet refuse to provide the medical documentation. The only thing that this tells me is that you lie for god.

[Drich]

Apparently you can't read medical. It's CD4 lymphopenia, and idiopathic CD4 T lymphocytopenia. 

Why are you producing medical articles from British journals? Did you actually talk to British doctors or were treated in Britain? Or are 20 year old British articles the only thing that you can find where they use AIDS incorrectly. All of this smells. 

And your HIV testing found that you did not have AIDS. But you kept right on using AIDS. 

You tell me what the proteins and markers were and I'll take a look. Better yet, produce the medical records to back up your drama claim. 

I'm beginning to think your urologist was a histrionic drama queen, much like you. I think it's more likely that you are lying. Produce the UF and urologist medical records. 

Produce your CAT scan report documenting a ruptured/burst appendix and the physician who after diagnosing a ruptured/burst appendix told you to walk it off. 

You're full of shit. You tell your bullshit story demanding that it is believable and yet refuse to provide the medical documentation. The only thing that this tells me is that you lie for god.

Wife told me to walk it off, pussy and punched me. The doctor did not tell me this.Never saw a doctor remember, went to sleep felt a warm ooze and almost immediate ultimate relief/passed out fell  asleep! forgot about it after 2 days and did not think of it again till prompted by doctor.

I am using 20 year old medical journal as this happened around the same time/hence what I was told at the time.

the hemotologist and several colleagues told him it was a burst appendix.

I go in the first of the year to my annual blood work up with discuss with him then about getting copies.

As far as the drama queen part, he maybe.

If it makes you feel better "I am too fat for 40." but my doctors really can't use the typical you BP is too high or your cholesterol is too high or your triglycerides are too whatever. I have the blood numbers of someone 1/2 my weight, so when they get a chance to push you need to diet or die, they go over board. So when my white cells went north they just couldn't help themselves. They over did everything.. (How many fingers are you supposed to you when doing a prostate examine?) Does the urethra camera come is different sizes? It literally have writing pens smaller. how much fluid are they supposed to pump in then hyper extending you bladder? do they normally pump the fluid back out or do most doctors make you 'soil yourself?" How long is the dr supposed to scrub you Pen-is before the procedure. How much prostate is he allowed to take before a biopsy become a removal procedure?

[pocaracas]

So... misdiagnosis still fits.

I'm telling you: go see doctor House!

[Haipule]

So... misdiagnosis still fits.

I'm telling you: go see doctor House!

Dr. House 35yrs ago as Lord Monty:

https://youtu.be/ysG96dUtGh4

[Athene]

Produce your CAT scan report documenting a ruptured/burst appendix and the physician who after diagnosing a ruptured/burst appendix told you to walk it off. 

Wife told me to walk it off, pussy and punched me. The doctor did not tell me this.

Hmm....Veddy, veddy, interesting. 
So did you just punch her back once you were well enough, or play the long game and milk that shit like a Holstein? Heh heh

Never saw a doctor remember, went to sleep felt a warm ooze and almost immediate ultimate relief/passed out fell  asleep! forgot about it after 2 days and did not think of it again till prompted by doctor.

I'm assuming you developed peritonitis. 
Did you?

[Drich]

Wife told me to walk it off, pussy and punched me. The doctor did not tell me this.

Hmm....Veddy, veddy, interesting. 
So did you just punch her back once you were well enough, or play the long game and milk that shit like a Holstein? Heh heh

Never saw a doctor remember, went to sleep felt a warm ooze and almost immediate ultimate relief/passed out fell  asleep! forgot about it after 2 days and did not think of it again till prompted by doctor.

I'm assuming you developed peritonitis. 
Did you?

Did not punch my wife, she joke that she had the power of the Holy Spirit Pentecostal style, and she healed me. we let it go at that.

After wards I felt much much better.

[WinterHold]

Yep we have the Islamic version of them here.

They usually wear very white, and put the most fancy perfumes:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamad_al-Arefe

You also have this guy:




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amr_Khaled

They sell religion if you ask me; the selling of prayers is also there: