Televangelists

[pocaracas]

This whole thing reminds me of a story I heard concerning a friend's brother who was a preacher at an evangelical church. In Portugal, these were (and still are) quite a niche market,
But still, this guy's brother was told by whoever was running the church that he was to bring in, at least, 2000€ (IIRC) every Sunday. Failure to do so, would see him replaced by someone who could get the job done.
As you may imagine, this provides an awesome incentive to convince the people to give away anything.
2000€ per week is about 8k€ per month that everyone in that church was supposed to give away willingly... this in a country where the people who go to these things are likely to make minimum wage, or some 500€/month.
A tall order... and still, in spite of it being attended by few people and most of them poor, they still made the 8k€.

Since then, I've come to regard evangelical preaching as a business.
A tax free business. A business which only requires that you speak.
So... in a way, the best business in the world?

[Minimalist]

Being Christian does not mean one is not above sin or accusation of sin or even making mistakes.

But it does mean that you are a dumb fuck for listening to these scumbags, dripshit.

[Drich]

"Bitches be lyin!"  

It doesn't matter whether they get caught with their hands in the safe or down a guys pants..that's always the excuse..isn't it?  The marks parrot that nonsense just as readily as they parrot their religious nonsense.

People -have- been taking a look at you, Drich..perhaps it's time you took a look at yourself?  No one had to do anything to discredit you here,

What do you call a 60+ page hate fest rant where I was not invited, where I for 40+ pages was subjected (nearly) uncheck character assassination. Then when I finally did arrive I came in and silienced each and every single accusor with the truth. Are you so short minded that you forgot about that? Maybe it is you all who should look at what you have done, and can not do when I am apart of the conversation.

you discredited yourself.  You do this with regularity.

Then why haven't ANYONE OF YOU been able to hold His own with me in such an example? why must you talk in PMs and uninvited chats? Doesn't it seem strange to you that the only way I come out to be something other than what I say I am is when one of you represents me in an argument.

 In this case, you presented a known con and crimer who got drummed out by his own people for being a con and a crimer..... as an example of a non scammy televangelist.  What else was going to happen, and didn't you think to do your own due diligence?

I am a member of the church how much more due diligence do you think it needed? or do you not think none of this was ever discussed?
Perhaps just maybe I being a member am privy to information your biased sources have been omitting.

What if you are wrong sport.

What if I have lived the extrodnary life I claim to have lived? What if all those interventions and good fortune is all apart of God opening the door to my knocking??

Be pretty damn hard not to believe in God huh?? It would also be pretty hard to shut me up or to have me cast doubt onto myself. huh???

So maybe ask yourself why has none of your personal attacks worked?

[The Grand Nudger]

You'll be hated and persecuted everywhere you go, you know.  The man himself said it.  

It seems silly to complain about your obvious and completely factual martyrdom for the cross.  Not that this makes your boy any less of a grifty grifter, now does it? Your church was a scam engine. That's the way it is. No sense in getting frustrated with me for pointing it out.

[brewer]

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Doesn't it seem strange to you that the only way I come out to be something other than what I say I am is when one of you represents me in an argument.
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Please tell us again how you have/had AIDS.

[Drich]

You'll be hated and persecuted everywhere you go, you know.  The man himself said it.  

It seems silly to complain about your obvious and completely factual martyrdom for the cross.  Not that this makes your boy any less of a grifty grifter, now does it?  Your church was a scam engine.  That's the way it is.  No sense in getting frustrated with me for pointing it out.

you guys re all the same. confront you with undeniable proof and you turn your back and build a different snow man. You said No one here has ever persecuted me, then I remind you where everyone did and for some time minus one or two, and now you want to attribute that to simply being a christian...

Did you forget the intended subject matter or is it your how i will attack this new 'snow man' (season specific)?

You called me a liar and someone who has been treat fairly here by all of you, and because of that/and my charges I need to reexamine myself for all the lies and dishonesty...

Did you forget to whom you were speaking? Or am I quoting you out of turn and you are talking to someone else?

Again I challenge any of you who think me to be a liar to point out a supposed inconsistency to me, rather than create stuff amongest yourselves so you can collectively dismiss me with out actually having to face me personally. Why else do you think you guys have to have "secret" meetings where I don't get invited. It is so you can come up with a way to agree on something you cant collectively otherwise identify. I mean if I were a liar, then boom it would have to be discussed in a commity. If I were a outright racist or rule breaker in any way, then the vast majority would not have to discuss in a commity where my faults lie.

And to call me a liar? that is the laziest fault finding expedition one can think of... why? because I claim to know and experience God. You don't so your left with two possibilities. God for whatever reason is silent with you, or I'm a liar.

Again what if i am not a liar? is it so unfathomable that God has judged you (right now at least) as being incomplete/not ready for communication?

As far as James goes It's not about living a life free from accusation, it is how you process the recovery that makes you Christian.

[The Grand Nudger]

Why are you babbling to me about god and how he talks to you?  Does that make grifty churches less grifty? Why are you airing your personal grievances to me? Does that make grifty churches less grifty?

[Drich]

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Doesn't it seem strange to you that the only way I come out to be something other than what I say I am is when one of you represents me in an argument.
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Please tell us again how you have/had AIDS.

First I must define AIDS because most of you, even in this day an age don't understand the difference or the correlation between AIDS and HIV.

AIDS is an Auto immune deficiency syndrome. This describes a individual's inability to defend the body from infection or disease. often because of a white blood cell defecncy.

Which is how HIV get's thrown into the mix. HIV is a virus that attacks the body's ability to produce and foster a health white blood cells. Which once a white cell count goes below a certain level one is diagnosed with AIDS.

Now as I've shown it is possible to have contracted AIDS (A senerio where you healthy white cell count is low through a viral infection/HIV) but your body can also be diagnosed with AIDS without the presence of HIV. below is a list from oxford medical tht explain all the other reasons one would be diagnosised with AIDS apart from HIV.

https://books.google.com/books?id=QM0wDA...cy&f=false



Now to be honest until this last cancer thing (spent alot of time with a hematologist, Dr. Hydezenburg (spelling wrong but of german/agentinain decent if I remember correctly )I had no idea of all of this and from the early 90's when all of this happened.  I had no idea as to why I showed symptoms/skin virus hundreds of skin lesions all over my chest fore arms and shoulders. So went to a doc in a box he had to look it up, and came back with a book, he read out what it was and the likely cause. "Compromised immune system typically found on patents with late stage/full blown AIDS. was made to take a test a week or two later the test came back positive, was made to retest, and in that time i made peace with God. Did not fear death as I once had. I also remember helping a co-worker who I did not like clean himself up after a blood fall he has some months or even a year or so before. told Him to get checked. (even though He has just got me fired and I was startinga new Job) Durning that time I was going in stages to have the lesion removed and 1/2 way through (I could only do so many a week as it was very painful) the rest disappeared on their own shortly after I gave up and gave what Time I had left to God. At the end of the 2nd week, the AIDS test showed I was clear.

Now fast forward to 2015 and my cancer scare That started because now for whatever reason I am over producing white cells. not only that they said they found a cancer marker? but not the protein that supposed to go with the marker, or the found a protein and no marker either way this lead to hundreds of blood tests and dozens of very invasive procedures, over a year.. the least invasive but most expensive was my cat scan. I went in and when I was scanned I could hear someone say "that doesn't look good lets get a few more of that.. then had to sit and wait for my Das doc-torb to review the scan.. He we out and checked it out of the room. he was gone like an hour. he said he had to consult with several other colleagues. He said everything looks ok, but let me ask you. ever had an adominal pain? I said no off the cuff. He said ever been punched in the adomine or been in a bad car accident or anything.. and it hit me.. I do remember being in the worst pain ever about two years prior I could not even stand up all the way. I was laying an moaning in bed, got my wife's attention and told her she needed to take me to the emergency room I think my appendix was going to burst. She asked me where it hurt I showed her and she punched me in the stomach right where I said it hurt the most. I doubled over and made my way to bed certain she just killed me. "She told me walk it off pussy" then I felt this warm feeling and everything was better. I woke up a little sore and felt fine. by the 3rd day it was all like new. So I'm walking around with a burst appendix as well. the doctor said there was no reason to go in and get it as it was inactive.

Just one more amazing thing. Aids meh, cancer BTDT, burst appendix don't recommend it but it isn't as bad as they say it is. I've had ear infctions way worse. Some hurt so bad and last so long the only way out seems like a bullet.

Anyway I share that again because during the time with the doctor after all the genetic bone marrow biopsys and everything else came back negative the doctor simply said I was one of the less than 2% of the population who's white cells run a little hot an I make a marker or protein that is typically identified with cancer. He also said it is not untypical for my cell to have fluctuated earlier in life meaning I could have ran low to the point where my immune system was compromised.

When we started this whole thing my urologist told me I have a 98% chance of having "man cancer/butt gland cancer or bladder or bone marrow cancer" When I didn't break down and cry, he asked if I understood. I said yes. I have cancer there is a 98% chance of it. the only question is where I have chocolate vanilla or strawberry. He said Mr. Rich, you need to take things seriously. What I realized then is you all work in little boxes of predictable outcomes and behaviors. and when someone if fueled by something outside of your little boxes, you become afraid, and rather try and understand why I did not break down and cry or why I wasn't scared in the least... it is easier to call me a liar or pretend that I am not aware or able to experience life on your level.

Here's the thing. What I said was absolutely true about all those years ago about being told I had AIDs having the skin leasions and (still have the scars where they freezer/burned them off) and what  said about giving my self to God in a way I had not considered to that point. This was my spiritual awakening my death to self moment. where I decided to be a slave for God. Now whether that mean I served in Heaven in s short time or if I served here on earth for a while first. I decided to serve God with whatever I had, and he has blessed me for doing so.

I did not cry I was not scared at the 98% cancer not because  was in denial but because I knew whatever the outcome I was doing what i was put here to do, even if it meant die with cancer. again I gave up my life and decided to work for God no matter what that meant. If it meant cancer. I'd probly be dead now, but it didn't at lest not since my last check up in march. But no that seem to be a put your favorite thing on the alter and offer it to me moment and I did. He stopped the sacrifice and gave me another job.

This one includes a car lot of cars to drive, a new house and a bigger business..

Call me on that one sport and I'll put you up for the week end and show you around. and you can ask y family of al of those things yourself.

[The Valkyrie]

Well, my thread has certainly devolved.

[Anomalocaris]

Well, my thread has certainly devolved.

It has acquired drich’s “auto” immune deficiency syndrome.