Verse 42:23 and how to interpret it, disciplines of interpreting Quran.

[WinterHold]

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Not an accurate description.

I pick my rivals more wisely. MK speaks in the name of an institution; my intentions are explicit and official. The Shiite Twelver instituion corrupts the Middle East, and just like the Wahhabi institution it sends Bacteria like MK to forums, social media sites...etc, with the intention of spreading the religion of choice.

Actually it is "YOU" who give MK attention, not me. You believe him and enlarge his account.

Don't you see the pattern in his posts? That picture applies to him trying to sell propaganda to atheists; not me.

Atlass33

How many times have you heard me say, I do appreciate your calling out those in your ranks using religion to call for violence. YES the world needs more voices like yours. Every religion needs that, Christians and Jews and Hindus not just Muslims.

Religion in all it's forums is propaganda. NO that is not to say every religious person seeks dominance over others or to oppress others. I am NOT claiming that.

I am saying that most humans get sold a product BEFORE they can kick the tires. The Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist are going to grow up buying what their parents sell them most of the time. Humans don't like their social norms upset, and as babies and kids, we are protected by our parents, and since we don't have adults brains at birth we trust them, and that bond forms groups and those groups form local, regional and national communities. 

Point is, every religion has something to sell. It isn't that every religious individual is evil or bad. It is to say humans form groups, and CAN and do often form their safety in numbers on false perceptions.

Religion is a horrible way to conduct national or global diplomacy. Every umbrella label has sub sects that via for attention and power in politics. It is more pronounced between entire religions. It is why you know far too well the divisions between Sunni and Shiite Muslims. But, it is also why you cant get Obama voting Baptists and Trump voting Baptists to agree. It is why Ireland has had it's history of violence between Catholics and Protestant Christians, which is currently not at peace, but at an uneasy truce. It is why a Tibet Buddhist will not agree politically with a Chinese Buddhist, or why a Japanese Shinto Buddhist wont agree with a Chinese Buddhist.

I also repeatedly and consistently remind everyone YOU CANNOT end religion by force. Our species is still the same species. But humans can get our priorities in order, and put our common needs above religion and put our differences on the back burner.

Individuality is the most essential thing in my perspective to choose the correct path; since everybody needs to choose their pick; the right pick for anyone is what they choose independently; without the intervention of parents, governments, teachers,...etc.

I agree with you that to manufacture the perfect puppet; you need to target the subject at a very young age.
It's always the sentence: "we found our fathers on a cause; we will fight blindly for it just like them". From there; racism is born; tribalism is born, religious extremism is born.

I'm still telling you Brian, and telling every reader that there is a religion of the so many, that beats on the drums of individuality and orders its followers to think independently. The medieval Christian Church mentality of "follow without questions" is not even an option with that religion.

Sunni and Shiite static should be called for what it is: they are mere versions and mere customization of Islam. That's why walls of text are used by Shiite and Sunni missionaries to justify their versions of the faith.

With that dealt with; politicians and cult leaders usually handshake to produce the kind of sick control over people, and when you control people; you control everything from borders to resources. The first step to fix this, is to shut down any calls demanding people to change species from humans that think to sheep that follow.

The darkness begins with one word: "shut up, don't think". It turns into a process of selling one's own fate to other parts.. a facilitation of the sentence "sold his soul to the devil?"

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Not an accurate description.

Two officers on board the fictional battle ship called Islam pretending they are having a rocky ride? I think it fits.

No.

One "human being" reading a source book, and another on the other side posting walls of text from Shiite books and say that it's from the source.
Blindly; crowds eat popcorn and watch the electronic battle. Despite the other side's not answering official questions, and despite the other part using spam and repeated lousy points, and using idiotic teenage-like textual walls about emotions and mental illness, despite all of that the crowed is still eating the popcorn and agreeing that this is "rivalry".

He is not my "rival". I already called him for what he is: troll and electronic spam. Probably getting payed real cash from a Shiite missionary institution somewhere.

BTW; the internet is crawling with these; just visit youtube's comment section.

[Mystic]

I will post this here as well, because part of 42:23 is defining goodness, in the words "and whoever does good..." with respect to the wage.

In understanding what the essence and heart of morality is, lies a proof of God. And understanding that requires you to investigate what love truly is and what it truly knows and whether it's the truth of how things are created, defined, valued, and known.
And it's the leader and guide, and this is what the bible means when people took the name of God and call themselves by it, it means they took the position of Aaronic priesthood and Kingship of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, and Moses was sent with clear authority so that people disbelieve in the false authority of Pharaoh, and Saul was that which is asked for by the people and by Moses words, when he prayed that his knot of on his tongue may be relieved. And Aaron was to be prayed to do that, because hope even in the darkest surroundings is the only way to act, and God got rightfully upset with Moses praying for the one he would send to relieve his knot, because Aaron would succeed him, and to despair in his lifetime is understandable, but not with regards to his successor.
And it's sad that Moses and Mohammad had knots on their tongues and their hearts were constrained due to what people would say and the propaganda of ignorance, while, they were not niggardly regarding the knowledge of the unseen they knew and wish to spread.
And the heart of what morality is the hardest to define, it makes Messengers look egoistic, and people misinterpreted Jesus' words and made into an equal to the Creator and Source of the universe.
And part of the wisdom of mentioning "the Compassionate, the Merciful" is to say, the name of God is the utmost mercy, and had it been possible for God to beget an equal, there would not be but sons of God as his equals, such is the compassion and love of God.
But there is a vast difference between the eternal and originated, the one who lacks no life, and the one who hardly possesses life compared to the Source. We are nothing compared to God, even those who we exalt and should not exalt others to that level of leadership and guiding position in morality and religion, are nothing compared to God.
Even the best of those who race ahead from the emigrants to God and helpers of God, they are nothing compared to the source.
Love knows no bounds and it is arrow and sword aimed at the highest sky, which is absolute love, sheer greatness, and ultimate wisdom, and perfect beauty and only it can judge accurately, because is by the definition the truest form of judgment and best of judges.


Comment: So gratitude to the message is gratitude of God awakening us to a kin that would inherit the leadership of Mohammad and make people understand his words, which are an explanation of Quran, and all that lies guidance, and the heart of morality is to love guidance and guidance for the sake of guidance makes no sense, hence we must love who we are being guided to but as we have no vision of the absolute but vision he grants us, he says love that family of the reminder to me, who I have made as means to me, for the wage is asked only for who wants, to take a path to his Lord (25:57) and in that appreciation God will forgive us and increase us in good (42:23) and it's the essence of what goodness is (42:23).

[Brian37]

I will post this here as well, because part of 42:23 is defining goodness, in the words "and whoever does good..." with respect to the wage.

In understanding what the essence and heart of morality is, lies a proof of God. And understanding that requires you to investigate what love truly is and what it truly knows and whether it's the truth of how things are created, defined, valued, and known.
And it's the leader and guide, and this is what the bible means when people took the name of God and call themselves by it, it means they took the position of Aaronic priesthood and Kingship of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, and Moses was sent with clear authority so that people disbelieve in the false authority of Pharaoh, and Saul was that which is asked for by the people and by Moses words, when he prayed that his knot of on his tongue may be relieved. And Aaron was to be prayed to do that, because hope even in the darkest surroundings is the only way to act, and God got rightfully upset with Moses praying for the one he would send to relieve his knot, because Aaron would succeed him, and to despair in his lifetime is understandable, but not with regards to his successor.
And it's sad that Moses and Mohammad had knots on their tongues and their hearts were constrained due to what people would say and the propaganda of ignorance, while, they were not niggardly regarding the knowledge of the unseen they knew and wish to spread.
And the heart of what morality is the hardest to define, it makes Messengers look egoistic, and people misinterpreted Jesus' words and made into an equal to the Creator and Source of the universe.
And part of the wisdom of mentioning "the Compassionate, the Merciful" is to say, the name of God is the utmost mercy, and had it been possible for God to beget an equal, there would not be but sons of God as his equals, such is the compassion and love of God.
But there is a vast difference between the eternal and originated, the one who lacks no life, and the one who hardly possesses life compared to the Source. We are nothing compared to God, even those who we exalt and should not exalt others to that level of leadership and guiding position in morality and religion, are nothing compared to God.
Even the best of those who race ahead from the emigrants to God and helpers of God, they are nothing compared to the source.
Love knows no bounds and it is arrow and sword aimed at the highest sky, which is absolute love, sheer greatness, and ultimate wisdom, and perfect beauty and only it can judge accurately, because is by the definition the truest form of judgment and best of judges.


Comment: So gratitude to the message is gratitude of God awakening us to a kin that would inherit the leadership of Mohammad and make people understand his words, which are an explanation of Quran, and all that lies guidance, and the heart of morality is to love guidance and guidance for the sake of guidance makes no sense, hence we must love who we are being guided to but as we have no vision of the absolute but vision he grants us, he says love that family of the reminder to me, who I have made as means to me, for the wage is asked only for who wants, to take a path to his Lord (25:57) and in that appreciation God will forgive us and increase us in good (42:23) and it's the essence of what goodness is (42:23).

Have you ever seen the famous panting called "The Scream"?

That is what sane people think of bad logic.

[Mystic]

Have you ever seen the famous panting called "The Scream"?

No I haven't.

[WinterHold]

I will post this here as well, because part of 42:23 is defining goodness, in the words "and whoever does good..." with respect to the wage.

In understanding what the essence and heart of morality is, lies a proof of God. And understanding that requires you to investigate what love truly is and what it truly knows and whether it's the truth of how things are created, defined, valued, and known.
And it's the leader and guide, and this is what the bible means when people took the name of God and call themselves by it, it means they took the position of Aaronic priesthood and Kingship of Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, and Moses was sent with clear authority so that people disbelieve in the false authority of Pharaoh, and Saul was that which is asked for by the people and by Moses words, when he prayed that his knot of on his tongue may be relieved. And Aaron was to be prayed to do that, because hope even in the darkest surroundings is the only way to act, and God got rightfully upset with Moses praying for the one he would send to relieve his knot, because Aaron would succeed him, and to despair in his lifetime is understandable, but not with regards to his successor.
And it's sad that Moses and Mohammad had knots on their tongues and their hearts were constrained due to what people would say and the propaganda of ignorance, while, they were not niggardly regarding the knowledge of the unseen they knew and wish to spread.
And the heart of what morality is the hardest to define, it makes Messengers look egoistic, and people misinterpreted Jesus' words and made into an equal to the Creator and Source of the universe.
And part of the wisdom of mentioning "the Compassionate, the Merciful" is to say, the name of God is the utmost mercy, and had it been possible for God to beget an equal, there would not be but sons of God as his equals, such is the compassion and love of God.
But there is a vast difference between the eternal and originated, the one who lacks no life, and the one who hardly possesses life compared to the Source. We are nothing compared to God, even those who we exalt and should not exalt others to that level of leadership and guiding position in morality and religion, are nothing compared to God.
Even the best of those who race ahead from the emigrants to God and helpers of God, they are nothing compared to the source.
Love knows no bounds and it is arrow and sword aimed at the highest sky, which is absolute love, sheer greatness, and ultimate wisdom, and perfect beauty and only it can judge accurately, because is by the definition the truest form of judgment and best of judges.


Comment: So gratitude to the message is gratitude of God awakening us to a kin that would inherit the leadership of Mohammad and make people understand his words, which are an explanation of Quran, and all that lies guidance, and the heart of morality is to love guidance and guidance for the sake of guidance makes no sense, hence we must love who we are being guided to but as we have no vision of the absolute but vision he grants us, he says love that family of the reminder to me, who I have made as means to me, for the wage is asked only for who wants, to take a path to his Lord (25:57) and in that appreciation God will forgive us and increase us in good (42:23) and it's the essence of what goodness is (42:23).

Have you ever seen the famous panting called "The Scream"?

That is what sane people think of bad logic.

That is the point: fuck your mind into belief. And if you don't comply, trolling and internet spamming begins.
In extreme cases; and in real life, you might get blown to pieces or get a governmental death sentence for "apostasy".

[Angrboda]

MysticKnight: Is not the following by LFC not an accurate summary of your argument?

No need to be bothered wading through his text walls of meaningless blather.  I can paraphrase every attempt at an argument made by MK right here:

1. If objective value exists, then Allah exists ( non-sequitur)

2. Objective value exists (unevidenced/unsupported assertion)

3. Therefore, god exists (wtf?!)

And then, when we object to premise 2., and ask him to demonstrate its truth, he shoots back with, “you guys just don’t want to believe, but deep down you know I’m right.”

Epic fail on every level, 100% of the time.

[chimp3]

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Two officers on board the fictional battle ship called Islam pretending they are having a rocky ride? I think it fits.

No.

One "human being" reading a source book, and another on the other side posting walls of text from Shiite books and say that it's from the source.
Blindly; crowds eat popcorn and watch the electronic battle. Despite the other side's not answering official questions, and despite the other part using spam and repeated lousy points, and using idiotic teenage-like textual walls about emotions and mental illness, despite all of that the crowed is still eating the popcorn and agreeing that this is "rivalry".

He is not my "rival". I already called him for what he is: troll and electronic spam. Probably getting payed real cash from a Shiite missionary institution somewhere.

BTW; the internet is crawling with these; just visit youtube's comment section.

Your Sunni / Shiite squabbles fall on deaf ears . I think your religion is ridiculous.

[Brian37]

Have you ever seen the famous panting called "The Scream"?

No I haven't.

Not surprising.

[Mystic]

1 and 2 is true, but I went into length to support why all humans believe that, and I also reminded of why they are true. In the thread of love in the thread of value and it's sign in ourselves, in many threads, I stated many proofs and dialogued with people to show they are being inconsistent in deny the reasoning that proves all those premises to be true.

Also in the name of God thread, I showed how people were inconsistent with their refutations and had contradicted themselves.

But like Hammy who hates people for believing people are responsible for their beliefs, there is no showing irrational darkness to be what it is when people rely on it for their might and power.

But the best argument is the witness argument, that is the best one, and by far, no one has even come close to showing any reason why it's not sound or how they themselves don't function with believing every premise of it.

[Brian37]

1 and 2 is true, but I went into length to support why all humans believe that, and I also reminded of why they are true. In the thread of love in the thread of value and it's sign in ourselves, in many threads, I stated many proofs and dialogued with people to show they are being inconsistent in deny the reasoning that proves all those premises to be true.

Also in the name of God thread, I showed how people were inconsistent with their refutations and had contradicted themselves.

But like Hammy who hates people for believing people are responsible for their beliefs, there is no showing irrational darkness to be what it is when people rely on it for their might and power.

No you did not state evidence, you posted crap you wish were true.