Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[Huggy Bear]

Stories of Odin exist.  I have a personal relationship with Odin.  Therefore he exists.  Exactly the same evidence and argument that Christians use for Yahweh.

*emphasis mine*

Who said anything about other christians? I'm not them.

[Mister Agenda]

I'm not just providing someone else's testimony, I'm giving live commentary. Surely that's even better! I can interact and answer questions. No one who wrote the bible can do that. All we can do is read what they wrote over and over. Everything I say becomes eyewitness testimony. He's right here, I'm looking at him.

I have testimony as well, I have seen Odin in dreams and he spoke to me, how could Odin send me dreams if he's not real?

[Ravenshire]

Well, I see Huggies has knocked over all the pieces and is preparing to shit all over the board. Soon he'll be strutting about declaring victory.

[Mister Agenda]

I still use film in my medium format vintage Hasselblad. Sometimes the transparencies come back with little markings on them. Sometimes it's happened in the lab. Sometimes it's light leaking into the camera if I have been careless. It had never occurred to me to claim it as being evidence of the supernatural.

Yeah, because a world renowned expert never would of thought of that...

Apparently he didn't think of examining the camera as well as the negatives. A world renowned expert would have documented that if he had.

[LadyForCamus]

Stories of Odin exist.  I have a personal relationship with Odin.  Therefore he exists.  Exactly the same evidence and argument that Christians use for Yahweh.

*emphasis mine*

Who said anything about other christians? I'm not them.

Oh, you’re right.  You’ve also got that picture of a glowing dick.  👍

[Jackalope]

Yeah, because a world renowned expert never would of thought of that...

Apparently he didn't think of examining the camera as well as the negatives. A world renowned expert would have documented that if he had.

^^^

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Also, tentacles, insanity, and cultists exist, therefore Cthulhu is the one true god.

[Huggy Bear]

Yeah, because a world renowned expert never would of thought of that...

Apparently he didn't think of examining the camera as well as the negatives. A world renowned expert would have documented that if he had.

Let me refer back to my earlier quote.

In the audio there is mention of the light moving around and hovering over different people. THIS CORROBORATES THE PICTURE.

There is also video of eye witness testimony who say they saw the light personally. THIS CORROBORATES THE PICTURE AND AUDIO.

Now it's up to you to debunk all THREE , not just one like you guys usually attempt to do.

[Mister Agenda]

1. If God exists, he is immaterial (be definition)
2. The universe is material (by definition)
3. If God exists, then God is the best explanation of the universe (from Occam's razor, PSR)
4. If God exists, an immaterial God created a material universe (from 1-3)
5. Creation is causation (be definition)
6. Therefore, if God exists, the immaterial has causation over the material. (from 4-5)

1. That's one way to define God, certainly not the only way.
2. Yep.
3. If the Creator of the Universe exists, the Creator of the universe is the most likely explanation for the universe. No need to invoke Occam, it's a tautology.
4. If 1. correctly defines God and 3. is true, that does follow.
5. Yep.
6. Uh huh.

That was sort of interesting. Let's try this:

1. If God doesn't exist or is in some sense material.
2. The universe is material and not entirely illusory or made of spirit thoughts or some such.
3. If God doesn't exist or is in some sense material, the universe had a material cause.
4. If God doesn't exist or is in some sense material, you don't even need a 4.
5. Creation is causation.
6. Therefore, if God doesn't exist or is material, no reason to suppose the immaterial has any affect at all on the material

Basically, your argument is just asserting that God is immaterial and created the universe, broken into pieces. I'm pretty sure 'show your work' was meant to evoke an attempt to explain how an immaterial God would affect a material universe. We all already know that you think God does that, your argument was completely lacking in new information.

[Amarok]

1. If God exists, he is immaterial (be definition)
2. The universe is material (by definition)
3. If God exists, then God is the best explanation of the universe (from Occam's razor, PSR)
4. If God exists, an immaterial God created a material universe (from 1-3)
5. Creation is causation (be definition)
6. Therefore, if God exists, the immaterial has causation over the material. (from 4-5)

1. That's one way to define God, certainly not the only way.  
2. Yep.
3. If the Creator of the Universe exists, the Creator of the universe is the most likely explanation for the universe. No need to invoke Occam, it's a tautology.
4. If 1. correctly defines God and 3. is true, that does follow.
5. Yep.
6. Uh huh.

That was sort of interesting. Let's try this:

1. If God doesn't exist or is in some sense material.
2. The universe is material and not entirely illusory or made of spirit thoughts or some such.
3. If God doesn't exist or is in some sense material, the universe had a material cause.
4. If God doesn't exist or is in some sense material, you don't even need a 4.
5. Creation is causation.
6. Therefore, if God doesn't exist or is material, no reason to suppose the immaterial has any affect at all on the material

Basically, your argument is just asserting that God is immaterial and created the universe, broken into pieces. I'm pretty sure 'show your work' was meant to evoke an attempt to explain how an immaterial God would affect a material universe. We all already know that you think God does that, your argument was completely lacking in new information.

And we know material natural causes exist i might add . Also god creation does not apply Occams razor well even if you invoke immateriality

[downbeatplumb]

Simple. 

1. If God exists, he is immaterial (be definition)
2. The universe is material (by definition)
3. If God exists, then God is the best explanation of the universe (from Occam's razor, PSR)
4. If God exists, an immaterial God created a material universe (from 1-3)
5. Creation is causation (be definition)
6. Therefore, if God exists, the immaterial has causation over the material. (from 4-5)

1: So god is made from nothing. Do you know what else is made from nothing? all non-existent things.
3: God is not a good explanation for the universe. It would pose more questions than it answers.
4: I see you don't like details, how did an immaterial being (whatever that is) create the universe?
6: none of what you put leads to that conclusion.