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Resoning for belief in God
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
Well you could say philosophy is rational, but then it's open ended, has no limits, is so open minded thet it's brains fall out. Christian faith, on the other hand, is tightly rationalised and confined within reason; as opposed to superstition that is the opposite of rational. Of course I mean the rationalising necessary to take the faith leap. I'm being innacurate with words again, sorry :p
 (May 17, 2009 at 5:22 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Of course I mean the rationalising necessary to take the faith leap. There can't be rationalising for faith. If there's rational reasoning taking place, then it isn't faith, hence the point that rational faith is an oxymoron (which I agree with).
Galileo was a man of science oppressed by the irrational and superstitious. Today, he is used by the irrational and superstitious who claim they are being oppressed by science - Mark Crislip
 (May 17, 2009 at 5:22 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Well you could say philosophy is rational, but then it's open ended, has no limits, is so open minded thet it's brains fall out. Christian faith, on the other hand, is tightly rationalised and confined within reason; as opposed to superstition that is the opposite of rational. Of course I mean the rationalising necessary to take the faith leap. I'm being innacurate with words again, sorry :p Philosophy doesn't require you do believe in stuff without evidence (i.e - making it rightly considered to be bullshit until further notice at the very least)- faith DOES. That's what faith is, belief without evidence. Totally irrational. Philosophy you can just muse about stuff you don't have to believe in it - and by it's own definition in and of itself it doesn't REQUIRE belief at all. So I don't see how it's irrational. Thinking about anything is just open minded in a good way I think. THAT'S not your 'brains dropping out'... Being willing to BELIEVE in anything (or belief without evidence, 'Faith' (*spits*)) THAT'S irrational. THAT'S being so open minded that 'your brains drop out'. It's fucking ridiculous. And yep Phil. Cool that you agree - rational faith is an oxymoron  Because it's not rational to believe in something without evidence - guess what folks! Delusions aren't rational, they're irrational! lol. EvF  (May 16, 2009 at 9:29 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: 'Rational Faith' on the other hand I believe is an oxymoron. In terms of religious rational faith (we all have faith in something) I absolutely agree. Kyu Angry Atheism
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Yes. Well like Dawkins, how I define 'Faith' is belief in something without evidence. Any other 'form of "Faith"' - I simply prefer to use the word 'trust' (and perhaps in some cases 'hope', etc).
EvF (May 17, 2009 at 9:59 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Yes. Well like Dawkins, how I define 'Faith' is belief in something without evidence. Any other 'form of "Faith"' - I simply prefer to use the word 'trust' (and perhaps in some cases 'hope', etc). Fair Enough  Kyu Angry Atheism
Where those who are hacked off with the stupidity of irrational belief can vent their feelings! Come over to the dark side, we have cookies! Kyuuketsuki, AngryAtheism Owner & Administrator
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe (May 17, 2009 at 7:39 am)lilphil1989 Wrote:(May 17, 2009 at 5:22 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Of course I mean the rationalising necessary to take the faith leap. Which is what I'm saying. There can't be rationalising for faith... but rationalising for a reason to take the faith leap. Very different.
Frodo,
Give me ONE rational reason to take a 'leap of faith' TO believe in the EXISTENCE of "God" - that IS indeed rational and yet NOT evidence FOR his existence? (Because if it IS evidence then there can be no leap of faith of course). EvF
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe (May 17, 2009 at 8:45 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Philosophy doesn't require you do believe in stuff without evidence (i.e - making it rightly considered to be bullshit until further notice at the very least)- faith DOES. Philosophy would cover all religions, so that statement has to be untrue. Quote:That's what faith is, belief without evidence. Yup Quote: Totally irrational. Nope Quote: Philosophy you can just muse about stuff you don't have to believe in it - and by it's own definition in and of itself it doesn't REQUIRE belief at all. So I don't see how it's irrational. I didn't say it wasirrational. I said it was rational. Quote:Thinking about anything is just open minded in a good way I think. THAT'S not your 'brains dropping out'... You haven't considered some of the wacky & way off the wall philosophical ideas then. Quote:Being willing to BELIEVE in anything (or belief without evidence, 'Faith' (*spits*)) THAT'S irrational. Without evidence; with faith... Yes, faith isn't rational. Quote:THAT'S being so open minded that 'your brains drop out'. It's fucking ridiculous. Nope Quote:And yep Phil. Cool that you agree - rational faith is an oxymoron Yup, I agree too. Shame he misquoted me  :pQuote:Because it's not rational to believe in something without evidence - guess what folks! Delusions aren't rational, they're irrational! lol. Yup, I agree. This says nothing about faith though. |
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