My view and reasons for them. Atheist and Christians welcome here. (short)

[LastPoet]

You're agnostic 5. Many here are agnostic 7. (never sure but confident there are no gods)

In my understanding I want to know whatever the fuck a god is?

[robvalue]

Yeah, on the Dawkins scale, I'm a ?/7. I don't know what I'm assessing.

[ignoramus]

Yep ...ignostic 1,000,000 like Rob and I.
Because none of us have the foggiest idea of what God is supposed to be, do, look like, smell like, sound like.

Technically everyone in the world is ignostic. Theists cannot bring themselves to admit it... They talk to God regularly... He sounds exactly like them

[LastPoet]

Yep ...ignostic 1,000,000   like Rob and I.
Because none of us have the foggiest idea of what God is supposed to be, do, look like, smell like, sound like.

Technically everyone in the world is ignostic. Theists cannot bring themselves to admit it... They talk to God regularly... He sounds exactly like them

Technically. It's like a "Super Me".

[surreptitious57]

you say you dont believe in God and consider yourself agnostic

I am not an agnostic but an agnostic atheist and so although I dont know if God exists I also dont think that God exists
Agnosticism is between theism and atheism but I am atheist rather than agnostic because there is no evidence for God

I think that there being no evidence for God and absolutely no evidence for him makes him less likely to exist on the balance of probabilities
Not all probabilities are 50 / 50 which would be the agnostic position but my position is closer to 0 / 100 without it actually being that though

And I cannot class myself as a gnostic atheist because this would then require me to actually disprove the existence of God which I cannot do
As all truth claims require a burden of proof and if one cannot be provided then the claim in question cannot be demonstrated even if it is true

[robvalue]

It’s always one of three things:

1) Incoherent word salad nonsense

2) Unfalsifiable (indistinguishable from nothing at all)

3) Trivial relabelling of something else

[Quick]

Now I want to know where robvalue would place me.

Here's what I believe so no one has to dig for it (if they want to tell me where I stand in accordance with religious views/belief in God):

I am unsure of whether there is a God or not. If there is a God, it is all encompassing and explain everything and it is a single God. This God would be in everything and the universe itself may be a God.
I think due to our culture as we know it today, that belief in God is a hot button issue.
I believe that there are very strong psychological components to belief and that everyone believes some things due to bias which is caused by and imperfection in our perception.
I believe the best person to trust on whether I believe in God or not is myself, since I cannot assume that others have my best self interest in mind.

Sorry, couldn't help it.

WIFOM!

You're agnostic 5. Many here are agnostic 7. (never sure but confident there are no gods)

Do you have a reference for this or is this just a joke?

Now I want to know where robvalue would place me.

Here's what I believe so no one has to dig for it (if they want to tell me where I stand in accordance with religious views/belief in God):

I am unsure of whether there is a God or not.

You're an agnostic atheist, by "our" definitions. (I would argue that they are the technically correct ones.)

You could call yourself "just agnostic" if you want, which would then make many atheists on this site also "just agnostic". It would split the atheists into two groups.

Either way round, it doesn't matter as long as everyone understands and agrees.

Yeah, the reason I asked you to place me instead of trying to place myself is basically that I don't really give a shit. I know what I believe about the topic, but I think it's important that other people can have identifiers for what I believe for the sake of understanding, but ultimately, I just don't care what other people call me as long as my views are represented accurately. "Dichotomies" when it comes to belief in God isn't a big concern of mine. I care more about dichotomies to describe how people think more that what they say they believe.

If there is a God, it is all encompassing and explain everything and it is a single God. This God would be in everything and the universe itself may be a God.
I think due to our culture as we know it today, that belief in God is a hot button issue.
I believe that there are very strong psychological components to belief and that everyone believes some things due to bias which is caused by and imperfection in our perception.
I believe the best person to trust on whether I believe in God or not is myself, since I cannot assume that others have my best self interest in mind.

This is interesting, but not relevant to whether you're an atheist or not. If you did come to believe God is real, it seems you'd be a monotheist (one God) as opposed to a polytheist (many gods).

Yeah, I feel like I have been over complicating it because of past judgements. Trying to let them go because fighting is hard.

Atheism doesn't address religion either; there can be religious atheists. You seem the religious type, is all I could say there.

I am def NOT religious in the slightest. Unless you want to say people who are Introverted Thinking dominant are religious because they adhere to a set of principles then I don't think I am religious at all. I also am too low on the consciousness scale of big 5 to be religious, but my therapist still tells me I am a responsible person so not really sure what to make of that really.

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you say you dont believe in God and consider yourself agnostic

I am not an agnostic but an agnostic atheist and so although I dont know if God exists I also dont think that God exists
Agnosticism is between theism and atheism but I am atheist rather than agnostic because there is no evidence for God

I think that there being no evidence for God and absolutely no evidence for him makes him less likely to exist on the balance of probabilities
Not all probabilities are 50 / 50 which would be the agnostic position but my position is closer to 0 / 100 without it actually being that though

And I cannot class myself as a gnostic atheist because this would then require me to actually disprove the existence of God which I cannot do
As all truth claims require a burden of proof and if one cannot be provided then the claim in question cannot be demonstrated even if it is true

Thanks for explaining.

[robvalue]

@Quick: I agree, labels like this are just a shorthand convenience and they're not terribly important. Being "an atheist" has no impact on my life whatsoever. If I discovered God was real, it would make no difference either. Like you, I am interested in what values people hold. I care ultimately about their actions.

I'm impressed that you're now managing to separate these factors. We're all people, with all sorts of different world views, and atheism is a non-factor. Some theists base their world view around god; some don't. Either way, there doesn't have to be any conflict from this.

Sure, I was only offering a guess on your religiosity as you offered more information. I accept you don't feel you're a religious person. Neither am I. I find the whole thing ridiculous, but I have no problem with other people being religious as long as they aren't hurting anyone or forcing it onto people or into law.

[ignoramus]

quick, it's based on the Dawkins scale.
Again, that doesn't really mean fuck all. No one here really cares about labels...

We are what we are. You either believe or you don't. simples You never ever need to justify your lack of belief to anyone ever.
It's the default human condition. If someone wants to make outrageous claims, the burden of proof is on them.

[Quick]

@Quick: I agree, labels like this are just a shorthand convenience and they're not terribly important. Being "an atheist" has no impact on my life whatsoever. If I discovered God was real, it would make no difference either. Like you, I am interested in what values people hold. I care ultimately about their actions.

I'm impressed that you're now managing to separate these factors. We're all people, with all sorts of different world views, and atheism is a non-factor. Some theists base their world view around god; some don't. Either way, there doesn't have to be any conflict from this.

Sure, I was only offering a guess on your religiosity as you offered more information. I accept you don't feel you're a religious person. Neither am I. I find the whole thing ridiculous, but I have no problem with other people being religious as long as they aren't hurting anyone or forcing it onto people or into law.

I appreciate the compliment, but I'm pretty damn open minded so what I think tends to change with the winds. That said, I think that if people can base their world view on a belief in God, I don't understand why people can't based their world view on a disbelief in God. The thing here is that we live in a world where people do believe in God and it sometimes influences their actions. Because there is an opposing view and since society is complicated as all fuck and things get all mixed around with everything else, then this means that a lack of belief in a God can influence one's world view. But this is just my worldview I suppose... To explain, I watched a documentary on the chaos theory. This is basically that if you have two things and nothing else involved, you can predict things, but once a third element is known, it's impossible to predict anything. So while it looks as simple as "do you believe in a God?" it's really not IMO because there are all these categories and subcategories that change things. In short, I don't think it's really all that binary. I think there has to be a middle ground somewhere.

I wasn't like offended or anything when you said i was religious. I just don't really consider myself that way. "rules" and the like have never really been something I have been good at. I'm a lot better at thinking in an unconventional way than following a specific path.

quick, it's based on the Dawkins scale.
Again, that doesn't really mean fuck all. No one here really cares about labels...

We are what we are. You either believe or you don't. simples You never ever need to justify your lack of belief to anyone ever.
It's the default human condition. If someone wants to make outrageous claims, the burden of proof is on them.

See above. IDK what the default human condition is.