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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 9:02 pm
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(May 14, 2018 at 8:53 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: I repeat
Quote:The United States of America is a type of Democracy [not a pure direct democracy, as is the classical meaning of the term, but a mixed-Republic with a representative democracy and democratic spirit].
http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-united-...democracy/
Quote:Thus, the U.S. has a mixed-Democracy in a mixed-Republic (technically “a Democratic Republic;” although in modern times we avoid that term)… which is essentially why the major parties are called Democrats and Republicans and why Jefferson’s Party was the Democratic-Republicans. Consider, the U.S. is also federalist, which is why the early factions called themselves federalists and anti-federalists. TIP: See
http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-united-...democracy/
Quote:Consider, in terms of the single classical factor that defines government types, “who makes the laws,” and in terms of “who votes”:
- Congress makes and votes on federal laws (and state congress makes and votes on many state laws), citizens don’t vote directly for the President or the Supreme Court, and citizens didn’t initially elect Senators directly. These are Aristocratic and Republican aspects of our Republican government in terms of voting and lawmaking.
- Citizens directly elect many officials (especially in the legislative branch) and citizens vote directly on some state laws. These are Democratic aspects of our Republican government in terms of voting and lawmaking. Here the federal laws are created by a “Representative Democracy,”… but the direct voting and lawmaking is “Direct Democracy.”
Thus, while we can’t describe the United States’ overarching system as a “Pure Direct Democracy,” we can’t claim “that it is not a Democracy” either.
We can instead just say: United States of America has a “mixed democratic and republican government,” which is what the term Republic essentially implies in the first place.
In other words, the United States is a Republic in the classical sense (which means it is democratic).
http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-united-...democracy/
I disagree with that article. I will go with the US government specified type as found on the CIA website for every government type on earth.
(May 14, 2018 at 8:54 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I thought the US was a dicktatorship?
It's currently ruled by the biggest bunch of dicks in the world.
There are many problems with intelligence agencies doing as they please and secret societies infiltrating our government from the beginning. There are problems with central banksters and the military industrial complex. There are many other problems as well but these are the ones you don't see mentioned all too often.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 9:07 pm
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Quote:I disagree with that article.
That does not matter the case is solid
Quote:I will go with the US government specified type as found on the CIA website for every government type on earth.
Argument from authority. The article makes a solid political case .
Quote:There are many problems with intelligence agencies doing as they please and secret societies infiltrating our government from the beginning. There are problems with central banksters and the military industrial complex. There are many other problems as well but these are the ones you don't see mentioned all too often.
All of elements were already present when the constitution was written and almost influenced the constitution .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 9:08 pm
These are not mutually exclusive but let's have a look at each word's meaning.
A republic is a country governed by elected representatives. The US is a republic.
Constitutional means that the government is bound by a constitution. The US has a constitutional form of government.
A democracy is a country governed by its citizen, with equal power. A difference is made between a pure democracy (aka direct democracy) where citizen directly make the decisions, or a representative democracy (aka indirect democracy), where citizen elect representatives to govern. The US is not a pure democracy. Is it a representative democracy? Some will say that it is not, because the power of the people's representatives is limited by the constitution. The majority cannot do things that are unconstitutional.
Bottom line: everybody agrees that the US is a republic, even a constitutional republic. Not everybody agrees that it is a democracy.
Note that this has very little connection with the Republican and Democratic parties. At this point these are merely names, with very little connection to the actual political positions of these parties.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 9:10 pm
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Once again the article makes a solid political case .
Oh and from the very source you cite
Quote:America is constitutionally designed to be a democratic republic. To call it an oligarchy--especially a corporate oligarchy--is drastically stretching the term "oligarchy". We have corruption, yes. But it is not literally the corporations making the decisions. The congresspeople are.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 9:14 pm
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(May 14, 2018 at 9:07 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:I disagree with that article.
That does not matter the case is solid
Quote:I will go with the US government specified type as found on the CIA website for every government type on earth.
Argument from authority. The article makes a solid political case .
Quote:There are many problems with intelligence agencies doing as they please and secret societies infiltrating our government from the beginning. There are problems with central banksters and the military industrial complex. There are many other problems as well but these are the ones you don't see mentioned all too often.
All of elements were already present when the constitution was written and almost influenced the constitution .
I provided a new article below which also makes a good argument. Not all people agree that it is a democracy including the government itself. Everyone agrees it is a republic or constitutional republic.
The first US intelligence agency was the OSS in WWII but yeah the secret societies were definitely around then and signed and influenced the Constitution. We did not have a private banking problem then with the Federal Reserve,... There were banksters that were a problem back then though I agree. The military industrial complex came about in the 20th century.
(May 14, 2018 at 9:10 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Once again the article makes a solid political case .
Oh and from the very source you cite
Quote:America is constitutionally designed to be a democratic republic. To call it an oligarchy--especially a corporate oligarchy--is drastically stretching the term "oligarchy". We have corruption, yes. But it is not literally the corporations making the decisions. The congresspeople are.
I read the article. I saw that and posted anyway to show that some do not except democracy being used with reasons including the CIA. I am one that disagree with the term. Everyone agrees with republic.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 9:30 pm
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Quote:I provided a new article below which also makes a good argument. Not all people agree that it is a democracy including the government itself. Everyone agrees it is a republic or constitutional republic.
Accept the fact it fits the perfect definition of mixed Democracy with mixed Republic element with constitution as a highly ineffective failsafe .
Quote:The first US intelligence agency was the OSS in WWII
Actually if you wanna be technical the FBI was founded in 1908 .And the Secret service was founded in 1865
Quote: but yeah the secret societies were definitely around then and signed and influenced the Constitution.
Yup
Quote:We did not have a private banking problem then with the Federal Reserve,... There were banksters that were a problem back then though I agree.
Yup
Quote:The military industrial complex came about in the 20th century.
But arms dealers and men invested in such industries definitionly had an influence . After all were do you think the revolutionaries got their weapons .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 9:46 pm
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(May 14, 2018 at 9:30 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:I provided a new article below which also makes a good argument. Not all people agree that it is a democracy including the government itself. Everyone agrees it is a republic or constitutional republic.
Accept the fact it fits the perfect definition of mixed Democracy with mixed Republic element with constitution as a highly ineffective failsafe .
Quote:The first US intelligence agency was the OSS in WWII
Actually if you wanna be technical the FBI was founded in 1908 .And the Secret service was founded in 1865
Quote: but yeah the secret societies were definitely around then and signed and influenced the Constitution.
Yup
Quote:We did not have a private banking problem then with the Federal Reserve,... There were banksters that were a problem back then though I agree.
Yup
Quote:The military industrial complex came about in the 20th century.
But arms dealers and men invested in such industries definitionly had an influence . After all were do you think the revolutionaries got their weapons .
All agree on republic.
I was referring to foreign intelligence agency but yeah those agencies were around before the OSS but after the Constitution. The FBI is part of the intelligence agencies I was referring to so I agree with that.
Yeah, I could see that as a problem back then (military industrial complex), a problem that really exploded in the 20th century.
Agreed on the rest.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 9:48 pm
(May 14, 2018 at 8:54 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I thought the US was a dicktatorship?
It's currently ruled by the biggest bunch of dicks in the world.
Actually, the smallest dick in the world.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 9:49 pm
(May 14, 2018 at 4:47 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: CDF47 Wrote:It is a true documentary. Others on this forum have said they seen it before. It is about exactly what we are discussion.
At not one of us who saw it would say 'true documentary' was an apt description. Sad joke of an anti-science propaganda film is more like it.
Little fucker completely ignored the 2 minute video that exposed Stein for the fraud he is, didn't he? Or did he pull some lame lying excuse from his ass in a hopeless attempt to debunk it?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 14, 2018 at 10:00 pm
(May 14, 2018 at 9:49 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: (May 14, 2018 at 4:47 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: At not one of us who saw it would say 'true documentary' was an apt description. Sad joke of an anti-science propaganda film is more like it.
Little fucker completely ignored the 2 minute video that exposed Stein for the fraud he is, didn't he? Or did he pull some lame lying excuse from his ass in a hopeless attempt to debunk it?
That's all you guys do is ridicule and talk sh**. That is your go to most the time and you want to be the majority in this country someone mentioned. No thanks. Anyway, I watched the video yesterday. So Dawkins felt it was badly edited for his one part regarding the pamspermia. That part may have been poorly edited. Not sure. I'd have to see the original. I know movies and media can really do a hack job on a video so I can't say either way.
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