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RE: Regariding the evidence for materialism
September 7, 2011 at 1:20 pm
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Anyone care to join me for some waffles?
Found a link for you btw Fred
http://www.threeminutephilosophy.com/art_dawkins.html
"The Dawkins Delusion"
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RE: Regariding the evidence for materialism
September 8, 2011 at 4:15 am
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My wording isn't as perfect as his, that's for sure. Either he defines materialism as strictly confined within the material, and oversteps into the metaphysical, where it cannot comment, or he describes it as a purely scientific approach to understanding, that then strays illogically into the metaphysical. You need to see the quote. Still looking.
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RE: Regariding the evidence for materialism
September 8, 2011 at 1:12 pm
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[quote='Fred' pid='173595' dateline='1315154006']
Is consciousness physical? Are the laws of the universe physical? Are concepts physical? If so, where are they located? Where can I go to find the square root of negative one? Can you show me its location in the physical domain?
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We are only justified in believing that consciousness is indeed physical. Consciousness is a product of mind, mind of brain. To assert otherwise not only flies in the face of the available evidence but would effectively mean that a miracle occurred every time we looked in the mirror and recognized ourselves, in that something immaterial acted through some unknown process with something material (brain).
The laws of the physical universe are models of reality. They exist in the frameworks of mathematics and physics, but are not separately instantiated in reality. They describe reality as we perceive it. But many physical laws have been overturned as new facts have emerged and our perceptions proven wrong.
Objectivism provides a useful theory of concepts, and there formation which it asserts are wholly abstract concepts. I would buy into this view, so no concepts do not exist, they are abstracts.
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
