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Quote:Have a Deity show up and speak for itself, without the need for "belief" and and books and human mouthpieces/witch doctors/con artists and I'll believe a G exists. That won't mean it will be worthy of worship. The concept of a G is as unlikely to me as purple flying unicorns and a magic teapot that orbits the earth.
There isn't enough credible evidence in the existence of any G. Or spirit. Or ghost.
You don't believe in most gods worshiped by humanity either. Ahura-Mazda's feelings are very hurt by your lack of belief.
Quote:Sorry, can't see a logical reasonable reason for being an atheist in your statement.
(May 24, 2018 at 5:46 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
Clear, concise questions will get better answers.
The text speech given is for emphasis. Sorry, if it confuses U. /
Not confused, junior. Just annoyed at the sheer laziness.
So, it was clear and concise then?
I declare that I see no credible evidence for the existence of a deity, and you declare that lack of evidence is not a logical reasonable reason?
I don't believe in werewolves either. I would bet that you would agree that lack of evidence for their existence is a logical reason to not believe in their existence.
Evidence is measurable, testable, and verifiable. This excludes old fairy tales and personal feelings.
All you have proved in this thread so far is that you have no understanding of logic, reason, and evidence.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
May 25, 2018 at 12:54 pm (This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 12:57 pm by Angrboda.)
(May 25, 2018 at 12:04 pm)Ybe Wrote:
(May 25, 2018 at 1:48 am)Losty Wrote: You’re misunderstanding my position. Atheism is the default for anyone who doesn’t believe in any gods. It’s impossible to be a theist or a deist if you don’t believe in god.
(Above bold added by YBe) "Atheism is the not the default for anyone who doesn’t believe in any gods". [now it is true]
OK this is a serious Q, just think before you answer please. Will you please kindly, verify logically, rationally that your position is rational.
And then also give proof that the statement "It'is impossible to be a theist or a deist if you don’t believe in god". Cannot be false".
If you keep just making the assertion as if you think that it is proof, then accept this assertion as absolute proof for you "atheism is irrational". > Re-asserted <, so it cancels all of your future ( unproved assertions).
The analytical meaning of the terms theist and deist is that one such doesn't believe in any gods. It is an entailment of what the terms theist and deist mean.
Regardless, the proposition that atheists are irrational is not at all the same type of proposition, so your argument fails.
(May 25, 2018 at 12:04 pm)Ybe Wrote: If you keep just making the assertion as if you think that it is proof, then accept this assertion as absolute proof for you "atheism is irrational". > Re-asserted <, so it cancels all of your future ( unproved assertions).
You’re not making any sense, dude. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. If you don’t believe in gods you’re an atheist by definition of the ??? word. Go bang your head against a wall a few times, maybe knock a few brain cells back into place.
OK, thanks for asserting your definition of A. Now, will you give a rational logical reason to be an A. We know what you claim 2B, but YB one.
AND this assertion "atheism is irrational". so it cancels all of your future ( unproved assertions) still applies.
Here is an example of how it sounds your logical rational reason sounds so far:
1. (A) is true because
2 (A) definition is true therefore
3. (A) is true.
How do you know 2 is true? Because the definition. OK why should one be that; YB that?
(May 25, 2018 at 12:13 pm)Losty Wrote: You’re not making any sense, dude. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. If you don’t believe in gods you’re an atheist by definition of the ??? word. Go bang your head against a wall a few times, maybe knock a few brain cells back into place.
OK, thanks for asserting your definition of A. Now, will you give a rational logical reason to be an A. We know what you claim 2B, but YB one.
AND this assertion "atheism is irrational". so it cancels all of your future ( unproved assertions) still applies.
Here is an example of how it sounds your logical rational reason sounds so far:
1. (A) is true because
2 (A) definition is true therefore
3. (A) is true.
How do you know 2 is true? Because the definition. OK why should one be that; YB that?
Can you write properly please.
I get a headache trying to think down to your level.
May 25, 2018 at 1:01 pm (This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 1:03 pm by drfuzzy.)
(May 25, 2018 at 12:55 pm)Ybe Wrote:
(May 25, 2018 at 12:13 pm)Losty Wrote: You’re not making any sense, dude. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. If you don’t believe in gods you’re an atheist by definition of the ??? word. Go bang your head against a wall a few times, maybe knock a few brain cells back into place.
OK, thanks for asserting your definition of A. Now, will you give a rational logical reason to be an A. We know what you claim 2B, but YB one.
AND this assertion "atheism is irrational". so it cancels all of your future ( unproved assertions) still applies.
Here is an example of how it sounds your logical rational reason sounds so far:
1. (A) is true because
2 (A) definition is true therefore
3. (A) is true.
How do you know 2 is true? Because the definition. OK why should one be that; YB that?
You assert that "atheism is irrational" because you believe in an imaginary friend and you think that everyone should.
The person making the claim that the deity exists bears the burden of proof. We cannot prove that something does NOT exist.
You sound like we made a conscious decision to be an atheist. For most, (and certainly for me) it seems that the claims for the existence of a deity are completely unbelievable. If you don't believe in something's existence, you simply DON'T BELIEVE. Just like you don't believe that Apollo drives the sun across the sky every day.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
May 25, 2018 at 1:06 pm (This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 1:06 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
See..that one should clear the whole thing up, but it never does. How many times have we heard these guardians of right thought tell us that the super rational reason that they don;t believe -that-...is that they know that their god is the one who drives the sun across the sky every day...with his sustaining will.
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May 25, 2018 at 1:18 pm (This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 1:19 pm by robvalue.)
Page 14 and still no definition of what we're even talking about.
That's pretty good evidence that our position is rational. There seems to be several reasons for a definition not to be given.
I mean, we can't even discuss how likely something is to exist until we know what it is. Garden variety atheism is just the default lack of belief in (not necessarily belief of non-existence in) any random "God" someone might throw at us. When the very few definitions you've heard over 41 years are all untestable at best, it's pretty safe to assume that any "gods" are hiding pretty well at this point.
If one decides to communicate with me sensibly, I'm very willing.
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.
(May 25, 2018 at 12:13 pm)Losty Wrote: You’re not making any sense, dude. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. If you don’t believe in gods you’re an atheist by definition of the ??? word. Go bang your head against a wall a few times, maybe knock a few brain cells back into place.
OK, thanks for asserting your definition of A. Now, will you give a rational logical reason to be an A. We know what you claim 2B, but YB one.
AND this assertion "atheism is irrational". so it cancels all of your future ( unproved assertions) still applies.
Here is an example of how it sounds your logical rational reason sounds so far:
1. (A) is true because
2 (A) definition is true therefore
3. (A) is true.
How do you know 2 is true? Because the definition. OK why should one be that; YB that?
Are you compensating for some frailty or infirmity by speaking in this manner?