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The Argument Against God's Existence From God's Imperfect Choice
May 26, 2018 at 2:29 pm
(This post was last modified: May 26, 2018 at 2:30 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
I'm sure a similiar argument against God has been done in the past... but here is my formulation of an argument I call The Argument Against God's Existence From God's Imperfect Choice.
The idea being, that if a perfect God always makes perfect choices then if he makes an imperfect choice then not all his choices are perfect so such a perfect God does not exist. Here's the argument:
Premise 1: God always chooses the best logically possible option.
Premise 2. There is a better logically possible option than the one in which God has chosen which he hasn't chosen.
Conclusion: Therefore such a God does not exist.
My guess is that premise 2 is the only premise in dispute by most theists (most theists accept that God cannot do the logically impossible).
An example of premise 2 being true is a world that was otherwise exactly the same as the one we live in but just one less child died of cancer. That's a logically possible world that is an improvement on this one. And yet God hasn't chosen it, which means God's choice is imperfect, so if all God's choices are perfect then this means that such a God does not exist.
Discuss.
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RE: The Argument Against God's Existence From God's Imperfect Choice
May 26, 2018 at 2:43 pm
(May 26, 2018 at 2:29 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: I'm sure a similiar argument against God has been done in the past... but here is my formulation of an argument I call The Argument Against God's Existence From God's Imperfect Choice.
The idea being, that if a perfect God always makes perfect choices then if he makes an imperfect choice then not all his choices are perfect so such a perfect God does not exist. Here's the argument:
Premise 1: God always chooses the best logically possible option.
Premise 2. There is a better logically possible option than the one in which God has chosen which he hasn't chosen.
Conclusion: Therefore such a God does not exist.
My guess is that premise 2 is the only premise in dispute by most theists (most theists accept that God cannot do the logically impossible).
An example of premise 2 being true is a world that was otherwise exactly the same as the one we live in but just one less child died of cancer. That's a logically possible world that is an improvement on this one. And yet God hasn't chosen it, which means God's choice is imperfect, so if all God's choices are perfect then this means that such a God does not exist.
Discuss.
But.. But .. he must have a good reasons . I can't tell you what they are but they must exist . And sure i if we were in a court of law and a serial killer said he should get off because of mysterious magic reasons we can't understand we would toss his ass in jail .God gets special consideration because reasons . (sarcasm)
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RE: The Argument Against God's Existence From God's Imperfect Choice
May 26, 2018 at 5:16 pm
Why would a god have to make choices?
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!
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RE: The Argument Against God's Existence From God's Imperfect Choice
May 26, 2018 at 7:07 pm
(May 26, 2018 at 6:50 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 5:16 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Why would a god have to make choices?
That's not really relevant because the point is that there is a logically possible world that is morally superior that he could create but hasn't. That is what is meant by him choosing the worse one.
OK! Still don't know why a god would have to make choices.Relevant or not.
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RE: The Argument Against God's Existence From God's Imperfect Choice
May 26, 2018 at 7:26 pm
(May 26, 2018 at 7:17 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 7:07 pm)chimp3 Wrote: OK! Still don't know why a god would have to make choices.Relevant or not.
Yeah he wouldn't because he wouldn't have free will. Or need it.
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RE: The Argument Against God's Existence From God's Imperfect Choice
May 26, 2018 at 7:40 pm
It's so sweet how some people contort their thoughts to create weird arguments against the existence of god. The only argument needed is that there is zero evidence for his existence.
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