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Pro Choice is Slavery?
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Pro Choice is Slavery?
Got myself into a stupid analogy debate, which I am not going any farther with after my first comment telling this idiot it was a 'stupid analogy'.

Other Person Wrote:I’m pro-life. I believe at life at conception. The argument that pro life is anti woman is just not true. Think about it this way. You’re driving down a dark road. You think you see someone standing in the street but you aren’t sure. Do you stop? Of course you do because there is a chance that could be a life. Same thing with a fetus. The arguments for pro choice are the same arguments for slaves. My property, I get to decide if it’s a life or not. I personally think that a woman has four choices, abstinence, contraception, adoption, and motherhood. The fifth option I don’t believe in is murder. If you have a different opinion, feel free to change my mind below.
That was her first reply, I said:


I could tell you the idea it’s like slavery is a stupid analogy. But I doubt you’d listen to me on how saying pro choice is like slavery makes slavery look like less than what it was. Like comparing things to it’s stupid and makes Nazis seem less than what they were. " (I was on mobile so hard to convey what I meant. But basically, comparing something really horrible to something very simple just make the horrible thing seem so simple also. Which I why I dislike it when people call Liberals Nazis or Commies. It's making those horrible things seem so simple, yeah Nazis are like liberals, even though Liberals didn't commit  mass And something else on the fact she only have three likes, mostly just joking on her likes part as I know she'll get more, can't I have some tasteless humor in my life?


I new I'd get a reply, but I didn't think it'd be so mind numbing of one "I’m not going to comment on the amount of likes I have in this comment because 1. It was posted 22 hours ago and 2. I don’t need random people on the internet to validate something I say by liking it. I will obviously listen to what you have to say because I asked for responses. Could you elaborate and say why comparing pro choice to slavery is a “stupid analogy”. I personally think it’s a perfectly fair analogy and I would like to know why you think differently."

]I'm tempted to debate, but I don't think it's worth it as this is the youtube platform. And I'm thinking if she can't see by saying Abortion is like slavery is rather stupid to say, I don't think it's worth it. Hate seeming like a chicken or running with my my legs. But really, I hate debating on youtube as it's idiotic.

I also know, from experience, that when i give my reason for why I don't think it's 'like slavery' AKA, Slaves were born for one thing and had brain function to think for themselves so calling them 'property' wasn't right. A fetus does not have these things, so how are abortions like slavery, I don't understand WTF? 

See what I mean, I'll tell her this, and she'll say 'No fetuses do have brain function and free will.' Or something like that. I've had experience with these people, you can't win even when they want to debate.

It's on this Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15OS2Pd...7744564150
Country something is her name, which that name alone shows me who I am dealing with... If anyone else wants to take this up, I haven't the time or energy to do so, I have college and work, and a life, to worry about.
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#2
RE: Pro Choice is Slavery?
Suppose a fetus is threatening the mother's life and the fetus cannot survive outside the womb. The mother will die if she attempts to bring the fetus to full term, whose life is more valuable?

What if the mother wishes to have an abortion to save her own life?
What if the mother has other children to care for?
What if the fetus could grow up to be a serial killer, but the mother has demonstrated that she's an upstanding, law-abiding citizen?

it seems to me that taking a pro-life stance is all fine and dandy until it's not.

I'd like to see pro-lifers stop talking what what they wish were the case and start funding long-term care programs to support mothers for the child's upbringing and university education.
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#3
RE: Pro Choice is Slavery?
*For clarification I call it a 'fetus' as technically it's not human-ish until near the end of the pregnancy...

And yes I agree with you.
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#4
RE: Pro Choice is Slavery?
Nope as no actual ownership over the fetus is being place on it . If anything is going to be called slavery the forced reproduction of pro life is slavery as it forces a women to use her body in way she does not desire . And no parenthood outside the womb is optional as they are ways for the mother to give the child .
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#5
RE: Pro Choice is Slavery?
Quote:I’m pro-life. I believe at life at conception.

That's nice.


Just don't try to force your silly views on people who do not want to bring children into this fucked up world.



Something tells me you can't do that.
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#6
RE: Pro Choice is Slavery?
I dated a woman who had been a single mom. Her opinion ---

"Life begins at conception? Fuck that noise! Life begins when your kid finally moves out of the house. Raise a kid by yourself and then tell me life begins at conception".


Couldn't argue with that.
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#7
RE: Pro Choice is Slavery?
(November 11, 2018 at 12:36 am)Jade-Green Stone Wrote: Got myself into a stupid analogy debate, which I am not going any farther with after my first comment telling this idiot it was a 'stupid analogy'.

I’m pro-life. I believe at life at conception. The argument that pro life is anti woman is just not true. Think about it this way. You’re driving down a dark road. You think you see someone standing in the street but you aren’t sure. Do you stop? Of course you do because there is a chance that could be a life. Same thing with a fetus. The arguments for pro choice are the same arguments for slaves. My property, I get to decide if it’s a life or not. I personally think that a woman has four choices, abstinence, contraception, adoption, and motherhood. The fifth option I don’t believe in is murder. If you have a different opinion, feel free to change my mind below. "

That was her first reply, I said:


I could tell you the idea it’s like slavery is a stupid analogy. But I doubt you’d listen to me on how saying pro choice is like slavery makes slavery look like less than what it was. Like comparing things to it’s stupid and makes Nazis seem less than what they were. " (I was on mobile so hard to convey what I meant. But basically, comparing something really horrible to something very simple just make the horrible thing seem so simple also. Which I why I dislike it when people call Liberals Nazis or Commies. It's making those horrible things seem so simple, yeah Nazis are like liberals, even though Liberals didn't commit  mass And something else on the fact she only have three likes, mostly just joking on her likes part as I know she'll get more, can't I have some tasteless humor in my life?


I new I'd get a reply, but I didn't think it'd be so mind numbing of one "I’m not going to comment on the amount of likes I have in this comment because 1. It was posted 22 hours ago and 2. I don’t need random people on the internet to validate something I say by liking it. I will obviously listen to what you have to say because I asked for responses. Could you elaborate and say why comparing pro choice to slavery is a “stupid analogy”. I personally think it’s a perfectly fair analogy and I would like to know why you think differently."

]I'm tempted to debate, but I don't think it's worth it as this is the youtube platform. And I'm thinking if she can't see by saying Abortion is like slavery is rather stupid to say, I don't think it's worth it. Hate seeming like a chicken or running with my my legs. But really, I hate debating on youtube as it's idiotic.

I also know, from experience, that when i give my reason for why I don't think it's 'like slavery' AKA, Slaves were born for one thing and had brain function to think for themselves so calling them 'property' wasn't right. A fetus does not have these things, so how are abortions like slavery, I don't understand WTF? 

See what I mean, I'll tell her this, and she'll say 'No fetuses do have brain function and free will.' Or something like that. I've had experience with these people, you can't win even when they want to debate.

It's on this Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15OS2Pd...7744564150
Country something is her name, which that name alone shows me who I am dealing with... If anyone else wants to take this up, I haven't the time or energy to do so, I have college and work, and a life, to worry about.

That's nice dear. 
Just so long as you don't try to inflict your beliefs on others its fine to believe whatever you want, what you do with your body is your choice. 
Its time to respect other peoples choices.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.




 








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RE: Pro Choice is Slavery?
(November 11, 2018 at 1:58 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:I’m pro-life. I believe at life at conception.

That's nice.


Just don't try to force your silly views on people who do not want to bring children into this fucked up world.



Something tells me you can't do that.

Min, she was quoting what the person she's debating had said. I had to read that part twice to see it because she didn't use starting quotes so it was confusing at first.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand. 
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#9
RE: Pro Choice is Slavery?
Just a heads up. "Feel free to change my mind" is a Steven Crowder line. He's a young right-wing talk guy who likes to sit in a public place, usually a left-leaning place like a college campus, and beat up dumb college kids in debate. It's quite entertaining, actually. In using this term, you can know that 1) this person is right-wing; 2) she's quite likely to echo Crowder's own strategies.

In other words-- if you want to stomp her, find what people have said about Crowder's view on abortion, and regurgitate it in the thread, just like she's doing.

Also. . . please learn how quote tags work, especially if you want to author an OP. This is important.
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#10
RE: Pro Choice is Slavery?
(November 11, 2018 at 12:36 am)Jade-Green Stone Wrote: I’m pro-life. I believe at life at conception.

I'm sorry but you are not pro-life.  If you were you'd prioritise the needs of a living breathing woman over the continued existence of a clump of cells which has only the potential for future life.

What you are is anti-abortion.

And your argument is insulting to both me, you and people who are actually slaves or had ancestors who were slaves.  Me because you think I'm thick enough to be fooled by fractal wrongness, you on the principle of "better to stay silent and have the world think you a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" and the slaves because it trivialises the hardship and torture they went through and their descendants are going through right now because of the stigma attached to slavery.

In short fuck off with your know nothing and insulting Ionanist bullshit.

PS one final thing your slavery non-argument falls apart when you realise the simple fact that your position is an actual argument in favour of slavery, the enforced carrying of a foetus by a woman no matter the circumstances of conception or the consequences of carrying the foetus. You are forcing another person to do work that could be mentally or physically lethal against their will just to satisfy your personal prejudices and wrongheadedness. That, my dear little shit is slavery, not your analogy.
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